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Old 12-16-2003, 10:39 AM
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No motor oils use any molybdenum phosphate compounds. The compound used is molybdenum trialkyldithiocarbamate (MoTDC) or a related carbamate.

These do not cause any damage what so ever. There are many API licensed gasoline and diesel engine oils that use MoTDC, Chevron Supreme, Pennzoil Multi-Grade, and Pennzoil Long-Life being just a few well known ones.

I can show you oil analyses of Cummins engines in Dodge pickups with 22,000 miles on an oil change with the oil remaining good and less wear than expected, and I know several trucking companies running Cummins engines, both under warranty and after the warranty expires, running an oil containing MoTDC with 40,000+ mile oil drain interval and very low wear numbers on the oil analyses...including very low copper numbers in the oil after this mileage.

Here's Schaeffer's description of their moly and their list of approvals--what else would you like to see to confirm that MoTDC is OK?
http://www.schaefferoil.com/data/700.htm
"Further blended into these 100% paraffin base oils and polyalphaolefin base stocks, the exceptionally specialized high performance additive package and shear stable viscosity index improver is a proven frictional modifier, Micron Moly®. Micron Moly® is a liquid soluble type of moly that plates to the metal surfaces of the engine. Once plated, the moly forms a long lasting lubricant film, which prevents the metal surfaces from coming into contact with each other and forms an indestructible long lasting solid lubricant film that is capable of withstanding pressures up to 500,000 psi. . By preventing metal-to-metal contact, damaging frictional wear is eliminated, thus leading to less downtime and longer equipment life."

"Supreme 7000 SAE 15W-40 meets and exceeds the following manufacturers’ specifications and requirements: Military Specifications MIL-PRE-2104G and A-A-52306A, API Service Classification CI-4/CH-4/SL, Global Specification DHD-1, JASO DH-1, Mack EO-N Premium Plus, Allison C-4, Caterpillar, Caterpillar ECF-1, Caterpillar TO-2, Cummins CES 20078, CES 20076, CES 20071; Detroit Diesel, Detroit Diesel/MTU Types Categories 1 and 2, International Harvester, Navistar, John Deere, JI Case, Komatsu Dresser, ACEA E5-99, E3-96, B3-98, B4-98 A3-98; Duetz, Daimler Chrysler MB228.3, Daimler Chrysler MB228.5, MTU MTL 5044 Type 2; MAN 271,Renault, Scania, Volvo VDS-2 and VDS-3, and Volkswagen VW 502.00 and 505.00."

http://www.schaefferoil.com/data/701.htm
"Further blended into these 100% paraffin base oils and polyalphaolefin base fluids, the highly specialized performance additive package and shear stability viscosity index improver is a proven frictional modifier, Micron Moly®, a liquid soluble type of Moly that plates to the metal surfaces of the engine. Once plated, the Moly forms a long lasting lubricant film, which prevents the metal surfaces from coming into contact with each other. By preventing metal-to-metal contact, damaging frictional wear is eliminated, thus leading to less downtime, longer engine life and increased fuel economy.

"Supreme 7000 SAE 5W-30 meets and exceeds the following specifications and manufacturers' requirements: MIL-46152E, CID A-A-52039B, API Service Classification SL, Energy Conserving, ILSAC GF-3, Ford M2C153-G, General Motors, ACEA A1-02, A2-96 Issue 2, A3-02, A5-02; Daimler Chrysler 229.1, 229.3, MS9767; JASO JIS K2215TD-701"


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