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Old 09-14-2006, 06:15 PM
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For some reason, I got better mileage without loss in performance.QUOTE]

That's because our trucks are made to run on Regular gas (87 Octane). (Just look in the owners manual.) When you put anything of a higher Octane in these trucks the computer makes adjustments and does it's best to make the engine think it's running on Regular gas. And that's why it's a waste of money to put anything else but REGULAR gas in these trucks. Johnnny
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I used to fill-up 89 octane from different gas stations but mostly at Radiant here in Florida. Last year, there was gas shortage bec of hurricanes so I was forced to use 87 which was the only available then. For some reason, I got better mileage without loss in performance. But I make sure I fill-up only from BP and not from any other cheap stations.
From what I understand, the lower octane fuel burns faster/more efficiently, so that is why you got better mileage.

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The octane number of a gas does not necessarily tell you anything about the speed at which it burns. There are different ways/formulations to increase octane (oxygenates and aromatics), some of these will allow it to burn faster some slower. Actually, <b>one</b> way an increase in octane rating can be made is to make the fuel "burn FASTER" (faster flame front). The fuel burns up before it has a chance to explode (in the case of detonation). Ideally combustion is a controlled burn (though extremely short, it is a progressive burn), detonation is an explosion (there is a difference, the explosion is instantaneous, with a supersonic shockwave). "Burning faster" (I put it in " " because that is a simplified version of explaining the process) does not mean it will necessarily pre-ignite easier either. A fuel can be designed to both "burn faster" after ignition and resist pre-ignition, the two are not mutually inclusive.

Octane is a measure of resistance to spontaneous combustion/explosion, it doesn't tell you anything else for sure. It doesn't tell you (again, necessarily) how fast it burns, its energy content or if your mileage/power output might go up or down (these can go both ways as well, and it can depend on the specific* application and conditions just as much as the formulation). Anything less than a couple books worth of info. on this subject is the short version. I can't believe some of the stuff well-intentioned people put up regarding this subject (not picking on anyone here, just in general).

Nobody wants to hear "it's too complicated" though. It's something most of us use and have choice between everyday. So many (who don't necessarily understand it in the first place) are willing to try to "dumb it down" for the masses. It doesn't really work without either a) getting it wrong or b) creating more questions tha answers.

To top it off, 99% of the time nobody can/will know what type of specific formulation they got in the first place.

*By "specific", I don't just mean <b>a</b> 4.7 Toyota vs. <b>a</b> 2.4 Chevy (as a whole engine family, even same year/type of car), I mean <b>yours</> vs. your <b>neighbors</b> 2003 4.7 Tundras in various states of tune, accuracy of sensors, variances in original tolerances and more. (In short: You need to test things for yourself if you're interested. Even if/when you find somthing that works better, you need to hope/assume it stays the same formulation year round and from station to station, even of the same brand. Then hope weather conditions don't dramatically affect your outcomes).

Even shorter: It's hopeless .

/sorry for lenth, it's still WAY oversimplified.
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Same problem here and it aggravates me to no end.
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I have an 04 Sequoia, I use Rebel (76) 87 octane gas, nothing else, I have never heard a ping and I jump on it regularly, quick accel, passing etc. Even towing 6500 lbs I have never heard a ping or pinging of any kind. I have heard a kachunk from locking up the brakes a few times, but thats brakes and its getting time to change them anyways with 31000+ miles on it so far. I used to use high octane gas in my vehicles a long time ago, but after doing several long distance trips and using different octanes for each one I have found that the price vs performance and mileage just wasn't worth paying extra for the higher octane gas, but this is a personal choice. If you feel you are getting better performance out of a higher octane gas, more power to you.
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I have an 04 Tundra that would ping with wide open throttle, 1st gear only, and going through 3K to 4K RPM. It wouldn't ping if you were accelerating at highway speeds or in any other gear under full throttle. It was time for the 30K mx so I put new plugs in. Problem solved. No more pinging, idle has smoothed out, and it has more power.

After surfing, here I went and got the stock replacement plugs from the dealer that are pre-gapped. Same exact plugs that were in the truck to begin with.

I'd replace the plugs if anyone has a pinging problem.
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I own a 2004 Tundra with the V8. My truck also pings under load. Especially when @ 50mph and try to pass someone.

I have been to the Dealer here in San Diego many time. They replaces O2 sensors and updated the engine management software. NOT DIFFERENCE, it still pings.

I asked to meet with a Toyota Factory Rep, which I did this last tuesday.
The Rep heard the noise and told me it was normal... I was furious!!
Apprently the Factory Rep makes the final Call.. I have no where else to "escalate" the problem to. Because of this, I asked the Rep to give me his answer in Writing. HE DID. I have a signed letter from Toyota, saying that KNOCKING is NORMAL. I can't believe it, knocking should NEVER be normal
I think it's crazy, but at least if one of my pistons ends up with a hole in it, I can hand them a letter saying it's normal.
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I "hear" you. I had the same problem using regular fuel and was sure that switching to premium fuel would fix the problem... well it did fix it for a while until the dang engine computer figured out what I had done and now it pings just as bad as it did with regular fuel. I am getting slightly better fuel economy (5%) and much better performance (just seat of the pants estimate) however so I guess it wasn't a total waste of time. Sure is annoying though. Thanks for sharing your experience, I was thinking of replacing the same parts as you did to try and fix the ping, but won't waste the time and money now. I guess it's just one of those things I'll have to live with. I've owned some "pingers" before and they are lived a long time so I'm not worried about wearing out the engine prematurely.
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I own a 2004 Tundra with the V8. My truck also pings under load. Especially when @ 50mph and try to pass someone.

I have been to the Dealer here in San Diego many time. They replaces O2 sensors and updated the engine management software. NOT DIFFERENCE, it still pings.

I asked to meet with a Toyota Factory Rep, which I did this last tuesday.
The Rep heard the noise and told me it was normal... I was furious!!
Apprently the Factory Rep makes the final Call.. I have no where else to "escalate" the problem to. Because of this, I asked the Rep to give me his answer in Writing. HE DID. I have a signed letter from Toyota, saying that KNOCKING is NORMAL. I can't believe it, knocking should NEVER be normal
I think it's crazy, but at least if one of my pistons ends up with a hole in it, I can hand them a letter saying it's normal.
Well, It sounds to me like the Toyota Factory Rep. is pretty darn sure that the pinging is NOT going to cause any damage. I can understand that it is a nasty sound and I would hate to have to hear it in my truck. But it just seems that they are pretty sure that there won't be any problems. Or they look at it like if there is a problem down the road they will deal with it then. My Tundra pinged under VERY heavy throttle (the way I drive all the time ) no matter what kind of gas I put in the truck. My "2005" Sequoia has NEVER Pinged one time and I have NEVER put anything but the cheepest gas I can find in it. At least you have that paper from the Rep. So, you can Ping away but something tells me that it's going to keep pinging and pinging and I bet nothing will ever break from it. Johnnny
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