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Default '04 Sequioa Detonation/Pinging

Just wondered if anyone else here has experienced any detonation/pinging in their 4.7 I-force while under load.
It is fine until I stomp the gas to pass somebody on the interstate and then it starts pinging like crazy.
I use unleaded plus (89) and have had all my oil changes and my 15K and 30K service done at the dealership (30K service cost $400 ).
I had told them to check on the issue back then and they said they couldn't replicate the problem-but I seem to have no problem

Any advice??
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Same issue with my '03...looking forward to any ideas...I'm going to run out of warranty in a couple of months...
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Try using Premium fuel. I know what the owners manual says, but the I-Force 4.7L V8 is a high compression 9.6:1 engine and really likes high octane (91 or better) fuel. Unless there is something really wrong with the engine or computer, pinging will stop and the engine will produce more power. Fuel economy should be slightly better too, which will help offset the higher cost.
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This happened with my "2002" Tundra a few years back. I noticed it in very hot weather under very have acceleration. I was using regular gas and I was always filling up at Raceway gas station (I local gas station). I ran the truck very low on gas a went to another gas station and filled it up with regular gas and the problem went away completely. These motors are made to run on regular gas and if filling it up with a higher octane fixes the problem then the timing or something else is off and needs to be fixed in my opinion. If I where you I would first try running the tank low and filling up at a different gas station and if that don't work try another octane. If another octane does work I would take it to the dealer and inform them of your findings. Just my opinion, Johnnny
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Try using Premium fuel. I know what the owners manual says, but the I-Force 4.7L V8 is a high compression 9.6:1 engine and really likes high octane (91 or better) fuel. Unless there is something really wrong with the engine or computer, pinging will stop and the engine will produce more power. Fuel economy should be slightly better too, which will help offset the higher cost.
Why would a slower burning fuel give better gas mileage?

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Just wondered if anyone else here has experienced any detonation/pinging in their 4.7 I-force while under load.
It is fine until I stomp the gas to pass somebody on the interstate and then it starts pinging like crazy.
I use unleaded plus (89) and have had all my oil changes and my 15K and 30K service done at the dealership (30K service cost $400 ).
I had told them to check on the issue back then and they said they couldn't replicate the problem-but I seem to have no problem

Any advice??
Thanks
Yep have had it for nearly 4 years since new. Told it was normal. Tried all of the normal fixes. Do a search for ping, pinging, rattling, etc. and you will see tons of threads on this subject over the last 4 years some of which I have started. One in particualr is entitled, "the dreaded ping, revisited once again" I believe it was. Anyway do a search and you will definitely find many opinions on this. As a side note I finally solved my pinging problem when gas prices got so high. I have instituted the 2000 rpm rule in my truck in every gear. Therefore no pinging under load or when passing because no more load or passing. I am like a little old lady now but I get 16 mpgs in town and 21 on the highway consistently, as oppossed to the 13 and 17 I used to get when i punched it all the time, and it didn't cost me a penny. And like I said, no more ping. I am sure it is still there, I just don't hear it anymore.
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Why would a slower burning fuel give better gas mileage?

Alex
An excellent question and the answer is very complicated. To net it out, higher octane fuel may allow the engine management computer to tune the engine settings to a more optimum (efficient) range.

Here's the unabridged version from Gasoline FAQ as compiled by Bruce Hamilton on this site: Gasoline FAQ - Part 1 of 4

6.13 Can higher octane fuels give me more power?

On modern engines with sophisticated engine management systems, the engine
can operate efficiently on fuels of a wider range of octane rating, but there
remains an optimum octane for the engine under specific driving conditions.
Older cars without such systems are more restricted in their choice of fuel,
as the engine can not automatically adjust to accommodate lower octane fuel.
Because knock is so destructive, owners of older cars must use fuel that will
not knock under the most demanding conditions they encounter, and must
continue to use that fuel, even if they only occasionally require the octane.

If you are already using the proper octane fuel, you will not obtain more
power from higher octane fuels. The engine will be already operating at
optimum settings, and a higher octane should have no effect on the management
system. Your driveability and fuel economy will remain the same. The higher
octane fuel costs more, so you are just throwing money away. If you are
already using a fuel with an octane rating slightly below the optimum, then
using a higher octane fuel will cause the engine management system to move to
the optimum settings, possibly resulting in both increased power and improved
fuel economy. You may be able to change octanes between seasons ( reduce
octane in winter ) to obtain the most cost-effective fuel without loss of
driveability.

Once you have identified the fuel that keeps the engine at optimum settings,
there is no advantage in moving to an even higher octane fuel. The
manufacturer's recommendation is conservative, so you may be able to
carefully reduce the fuel octane. The penalty for getting it badly wrong,
and not realising that you have, could be expensive engine damage.

6.14 Does low octane fuel increase engine wear?

Not if you are meeting the octane requirement of the engine. If you are not
meeting the octane requirement, the engine will rapidly suffer major damage
due to knock. You must not use fuels that produce sustained audible knock,
as engine damage will occur. If the octane is just sufficient, the engine
management system will move settings to a less optimal position, and the
only major penalty will be increased costs due to poor fuel economy.
Whenever possible, engines should be operated at the optimum position for
long-term reliability. Engine wear is mainly related to design,
manufacturing, maintenance and lubrication factors. Once the octane and
run-on requirements of the engine are satisfied, increased octane will have
no beneficial effect on the engine. Run-on is the tendency of an engine to
continue running after the ignition has been switched off, and is discussed
in more detail in Section 8.2. The quality of gasoline, and the additive
package used, would be more likely to affect the rate of engine wear, rather
than the octane rating.

6.15 Can I mix different octane fuel grades?

Yes, however attempts to blend in your fuel tank should be carefully
planned. You should not allow the tank to become empty, and then add 50% of
lower octane, followed by 50% of higher octane. The fuels may not completely
mix immediately, especially if there is a density difference. You may get a
slug of low octane that causes severe knock. You should refill when your
tank is half full. In general the octane response will be linear for most
hydrocarbon and oxygenated fuels eg 50:50 of 87 and 91 will give 89.

Attempts to mix leaded high octane to unleaded high octane to obtain higher
octane are useless for most commercial gasolines. The lead response of the
unleaded fuel does not overcome the dilution effect, thus 50:50 of 96 leaded
and 91 unleaded will give 94. Some blends of oxygenated fuels with ordinary
gasoline can result in undesirable increases in volatility due to volatile
azeotropes, and some oxygenates can have negative lead responses. The octane
requirement of some engines is determined by the need to avoid run-on, not
to avoid knock.

6.16 What happens if I use the wrong octane fuel?

If you use a fuel with an octane rating below the requirement of the engine,
the management system may move the engine settings into an area of less
efficient combustion, resulting in reduced power and reduced fuel economy.
You will be losing both money and driveability. If you use a fuel with an
octane rating higher than what the engine can use, you are just wasting
money by paying for octane that you can not utilise. The additive packages
are matched to the engines using the fuel, for example intake valve deposit
control additive concentrations may be increased in the premium octane grade.
If your vehicle does not have a knock sensor, then using a fuel with an
octane rating significantly below the octane requirement of the engine means
that the little men with hammers will gleefully pummel your engine to pieces.

You should initially be guided by the vehicle manufacturer's recommendations,
however you can experiment, as the variations in vehicle tolerances can
mean that Octane Number Requirement for a given vehicle model can range
over 6 Octane Numbers. Caution should be used, and remember to compensate
if the conditions change, such as carrying more people or driving in
different ambient conditions. You can often reduce the octane of the fuel
you use in winter because the temperature decrease and possible humidity
changes may significantly reduce the octane requirement of the engine.

Use the octane that provides cost-effective driveability and performance,
using anything more is waste of money, and anything less could result in
an unscheduled, expensive visit to your mechanic.
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Default Re: '04 Sequioa Detonation/Pinging

I ran the tank to as close to empty as I dared and then filled up on some 93 octane..tried to replicate the pinging this morning by mashing the pedal to the floor and she just kicked down a couple of gears dipped the rear and took off like a jack rabbit. No noise at all..smoothre than a sewing machine.

I guess the higher octane works but 9.6:1 is not too high. Are these iron or aluminum heads on this I-Force??
Seems like the timing may need to be advanced (or do I mean retarded )??
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The pinging is most likely caused by carbon build up on the pistons. Remove the spark plug and look in with a flashlight. On my 00 Tundra carbon chunks were visible on top of the pistons. Several cans of Seafoam through a vacuum line produced masses of black smoke and less pinging. Putting Seafoam through my Sequoia produced almost no smoke and it never pings. Different octane fuel made no difference for me. Good luck.
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I was under the impression that Toyota used anti-knock sensors to address any kind of pinging. Knock sensor- microphone type device that produces a voltage when it "hears" a detonation knock. The computer retards the timing when this condition is met. On my ES300 they were under the intake. I had to change one.

Pinging is bad. I would find out why it is pinging.
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Dealer said my knock sensor was working fine... but it still pinged. By the way they could NEVER hear it even though my wife and 8yr old son could.
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Both my 01 Tundra A/C 4x4, and my 04 Four Runner 4x4 have the 4.7 V8. I use Chevron regular unleaded gas rated at 85 octane. I haven't had any pinging problems even when towing. Don't use cheep gas. Ask your dealer what brand they recommend.
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try different gas stations...
shell, exxon, bp..

every time i go to a QT (here in texas i get pinging) its cheaper ...but i never have problems wtih exxon or shell

if not better,,,,,try a higher octaine....
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I used to fill-up 89 octane from different gas stations but mostly at Radiant here in Florida. Last year, there was gas shortage bec of hurricanes so I was forced to use 87 which was the only available then. For some reason, I got better mileage without loss in performance. But I make sure I fill-up only from BP and not from any other cheap stations.
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[quote=gerryml;517058]For some reason, I got better mileage without loss in performance.QUOTE]

That's because our trucks are made to run on Regular gas (87 Octane). (Just look in the owners manual.) When you put anything of a higher Octane in these trucks the computer makes adjustments and does it's best to make the engine think it's running on Regular gas. And that's why it's a waste of money to put anything else but REGULAR gas in these trucks. Johnnny
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