2003 90,000 service question

ncsumd · #1 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 01:06 PM

My local dealer recommends replacing front oil seals ($131.00) when replacing the timing belt (229.00) & water pump (245.00). Anyone else do this or heard of this? I was told they fail more often than the pump or belt, but I've never heard of replacing them...

Thanks,
Michael

2003 Tacoma Double cab 4x4

mcc371 · #2 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 02:30 PM

I wouldn't replace the seals or the water pump unless they were leaking.

peterdaniel · #3 (**permalink**) 06-04-2007, 03:04 PM

Well, as long as you are in there, I would replace them. Waiting until they leak means you will have to pay the labor all over again. However, i do question the cost of the seals, there really should not be any more labor than what they are already in there for..

jackbauer · #4 (**permalink**) 09-06-2007, 10:46 AM

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The Phoenix · #5 (**permalink**) 09-06-2007, 03:47 PM

Timing belt for sure. The water pump should be changed while everything else is apart too. Consider it insurance that you won't have to replace them again for another 90K!

ddnail · #6 (**permalink**) 09-06-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FXNGLAS

Timing belt for sure. The water pump should be changed while everything else is apart too. Consider it insurance that you won't have to replace them again for another 90K!

I second that

gtyler2 · #7 (**permalink**) 12-07-2007, 03:28 PM

No water pump at 90K... Oil seals either. Plan on doing it at 180 though. What about the tensioner and idlers? If you're going that far, all of that stuff should be replaced, but none of it except the belt at 90K. I did mine myself at 80K and all the parts looked and checked out like new. Just another case of the dealer getting in your pocket. BTW those prices you referenced are crazy!!! Those parts can be had from numerous on-line sources (OEM) for much less. Dealers = greedy.

ddnail · #8 (**permalink**) 12-07-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gtyler2

No water pump at 90K... Oil seals either. Plan on doing it at 180 though. What about the tensioner and idlers? If you're going that far, all of that stuff should be replaced, but none of it except the belt at 90K. I did mine myself at 80K and all the parts looked and checked out like new. Just another case of the dealer getting in your pocket. BTW those prices you referenced are crazy!!! Those parts can be had from numerous on-line sources (OEM) for much less. Dealers = greedy.

Sorry, but that's not good advice man...
It's silly not to change out the water pump while your in there.
That's not just the dealer trying to get in your pocket, that's just insurance for not haveing to do something twice

kathyricks · #9 (**permalink**) 12-07-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ddnail

Sorry, but that's not good advice man...
It's silly not to change out the water pump while your in there.
That's not just the dealer trying to get in your pocket, that's just insurance for not haveing to do something twice

Depends on vehicle usage. Toyota water pumps usually last 150-250,000 miles if the owner drives alot (20,000+ miles per year and mainly on the highway). And especially if the owner uses Toyota brand antifreeze at replacement time because it's free of abrasive silicates that can wear the water pump seal and also contains a good dose of molybedenum lubricant.

The water pump of my 255,000 mile 1989 Toyota Corolla is getting noisy now so I need to replace it for the first time in 19 years (the car was built in November 1988)

ddnail · #10 (**permalink**) 12-07-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kathyricks

Depends on vehicle usage. Toyota water pumps usually last 150-250,000 miles if the owner drives alot (20,000+ miles per year and mainly on the highway). And especially if the owner uses Toyota brand antifreeze at replacement time because it's free of abrasive silicates that can wear the water pump seal and also contains a good dose of molybedenum lubricant.

The water pump of my 255,000 mile 1989 Toyota Corolla is getting noisy now so I need to replace it for the first time in 19 years (the car was built in November 1988)

You make a good point, however I still stand by my first statement of it's silly not to change it out while your already in there. That is just my opinion though

hondapreludeg · #11 (**permalink**) 12-09-2007, 03:02 AM

Do the water pump!! I had my timing belt service done at 95k and my waterpump was starting to leak a little bit. The dealer did the water pump,seals,timing belt, and all accessory belts for $499. Which I thought was reasonable.

mustang67408 · #12 (**permalink**) 12-09-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ddnail

Sorry, but that's not good advice man...
It's silly not to change out the water pump while your in there.
That's not just the dealer trying to get in your pocket, that's just insurance for not having to do something twice

I second that.

If we do not recommend that stuff, then in 700 miles ( or whatever mileage). Your going to bring it back and say "

why didnt you change this stuff while you were in there", "

you just want me to pay labor twice". They are trying to save you labor and the aggrivation of doing it twice.

Yes, those parts may last 100,000+ miles, but is it worth the gamble?
My own tundra when it reaches 90k will get the W/P, tensioner, all seals and idlers that are up there.

I would do it if I were you, but thats me.

integraGSR · #13 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang67408

I second that.

If we do not recommend that stuff, then in 700 miles ( or whatever mileage). Your going to bring it back and say "

why didnt you change this stuff while you were in there", "

you just want me to pay labor twice". They are trying to save you labor and the aggrivation of doing it twice.

Yes, those parts may last 100,000+ miles, but is it worth the gamble?
My own tundra when it reaches 90k will get the W/P, tensioner, all seals and idlers that are up there.

I would do it if I were you, but thats me.

funny, your sig says, "if it aint broke, don't fix it".

as for the seals, i wouldn't, but the water pump i would. i have never seen one of these seals leaks on the 5vz motor. those prices are pretty cheap. my dealer usually charges 4 hours for a regular timing belt, thats at least 400 bucks. except on v8's, i think they charge 6 hours. but once everything is off, water pump is only like 7 bolts that hold it on. the 5vz motor is pretty simple to take apart, should just be a couple of hours to get the timing belt done.

mustang67408 · #14 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 02:51 PM

Yes, your right. I am not fixing it. It's called preventative maintenance.
WE Have been bit to many times in the past from people saying ,"WHY DIDNT YOU CHANGE IT WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE". So now the decision is yours, and if we do recommend it and if it's not leaking then they say " YOUR TRYING TO SELL ME SOMETHING I DON"T NEED".
So in all reality it is a 2 edged sword. It all depends on how you look at it.

We get 3hrs for a V-6 and 4.5 for a V8 timing belt.

integraGSR · #15 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang67408

It's called preventative maintenance.

Agreed. Trust me, on my tundra, i would replace the water pump if it is leaking or not.

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Originally Posted by mustang67408

We get 3hrs for a V-6 and 4.5 for a V8 timing belt.

wow, that is low. how you guys make money?