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1Gen-TundraGeneral discussion forum for the 2000 to 2006 Toyota Tundra.
This is a discussion thread titled "PULSTAR spark plugs first report.", within the 1Gen-Tundra forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
Well damn, I guess I am politically uncorreck again:
I just bought new plugs for my 90K maintenance. Autolite copper core in the handy-dandy blister pack at WalMart. I think they were $2.68 per two-pack.
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Something scratched the bejesus out of bed floor.
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$6 switch to keep those d@&# cargo lights off!
I'll wash it next week.
To the original poster, how could a new spark plug give you better mileage.
I mean honestly.
I think that week you had a tail-wind with you wherever you went.
The spark caused by the plug which ignites the air-fuel mixture inside the cylinder isn't going to use less fuel if it's a stronger spark. It's just going to ignite what the computer tells the cylinder to draw in. Which is going to be the exact same with a 1.98 spark plug, or a $100.00 plug.
Snake oil, pure and simple. As to the guy who said something about Aero Turbine and just wanting the sound. ...cool. That's fine. I seriously doubt the Spark Plugs the OP is talking about did anything cool like that, but instead just lighten his wallet.
__________________ Lisa = 2003 Access-Cab Tundra SR5
C/R/C Tails, Clear Corners, Westin Black Ultimate Bull Bar, Toyota of Dallas Grille, PIAA 510 Ion Yellow Fogs, Putco LED Third Brake Light, Luverne Black Nerf Bars, Bilstein 5100's, Wheeler's AAL's, 285x75R16's on A.R. Trench wheels.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall.
Torque is how far you push the wall.
-Unknown
In defense of the original poster, LOTS of people over the years have spent lots of many on spark plugs, magnetic fuel savers, air straighteners, etc.
Guys, lighten up. Let's try to explain WHY plugs won't make a difference so everyone can learn. No sense in just saying they don't make a difference after the fact! (Several posts have tried to explain why, including the above; some have just been mean.)
On a similar but different topic, Jacobs Electronics was marketing their ignition system as a big fuel saver as recent as about a year or two ago. I think their unit was basically a multiple spark discharge setup that might have made a difference on older engines with poorly designed heads. Point being that there's a lot of products out there that claim to improve fuel mileage and performance.
I agree there is no need to rag on the guy, as I do the same to get my quarter mile times down, i.e. I try stuff. Lots of times the money is wasted, but nothing life changing at all, and after the fact I know what works and what doesn't.
Their claim is these plugs will increase voltage output and then pulse the spark. I know of no magical component you can put in a spark plug that could do this. If so why waste it on spark plugs? Make a practical electric car.
Seriously, you cannot produce more energy from less. It's against the laws of physics.
The idea is solid, it's based on capacitive discharge and there are unit available that can do this. One example is MSD ignition units (and Jaccobs). But these are design to fire plugs in rich mixer situations as in older carbureted performance engines.
Modern engines are designed as lean burn engines, the entire system is designed around the idea of burning the last bit of fuel. If any fuel is left the O2 sensors pick it up and lean it out until it's right. So there is no extra fuel to burn, no extra power to gain, no better fuel economy.
This is why manufactures are getting to direct injections and combustion ignition (like a diesel) there's no more left to get from a conventional inter combustion engine. They must be redesigned.
Spark plug can't perform magic and in my experience if your lucky they won't make things worse. (Which is what happens most of the time.)
Mike
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......The idea is solid, it's based on capacitive discharge and there are unit available that can do this. One example is MSD ignition units (and Jaccobs). But these are design to fire plugs in rich mixer situations as in older carbureted performance engines.
Spark plugs can make a big difference in every engine they are in. I'm seeing a lot of "snake oil" being spouted off in this thread claiming one spark plug is the same as another. I disagree and point to this link so you can get the 411 on spark plugs (please read and learn) Sparkplugs.com - Spark Plug 411
As far as the PulseStar plugs go, I replaced my Iridium IX plugs (which by the way only had 7,000 miles on them), and I'll have to say I like them(pulse) better. Do they work? For me they do and for the guy who started this thread they did. But if you need scientific results, please See the next link, Sparkplugs.com - Spark Plug 411
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BAD BONEZ BJ
Last edited by BAD BONEZ BJ; 05-06-2008 at 04:13 PM.
Well I would always be willing to keep an open mind about the stuff. Maybe they didn't help when I tried variants of them, but you never know what advancements can come along.
A faster spark is going to produce a tiny little bit of horsepower. It's like powering a 1000 watt amplifier on one side with a 14 gauge wire, and one with a 0 gauge.
But any fuel mileage increase would mean that fuel is not getting used. Meaning there is either less air flowing into the cylinder, or after combustion there is still fuel in there.
Unless I missed it, nobody is saying he can't feel a little quicker throttle response. It's the mileage thing we're all talking about.
Also, 3.03 horsepower at least in my book is NOT worth the cost when I can get 3.03 horsepower less on $1.98 a piece plugs.
__________________ Lisa = 2003 Access-Cab Tundra SR5
C/R/C Tails, Clear Corners, Westin Black Ultimate Bull Bar, Toyota of Dallas Grille, PIAA 510 Ion Yellow Fogs, Putco LED Third Brake Light, Luverne Black Nerf Bars, Bilstein 5100's, Wheeler's AAL's, 285x75R16's on A.R. Trench wheels.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall.
Torque is how far you push the wall.
-Unknown
Spark plugs can make a big difference in every engine they are in. I'm seeing a lot of "snake oil" being spouted off in this thread claiming one spark plug is the same as another. I disagree and point to this link so you can get the 411 on spark plugs (please read and learn) Sparkplugs.com - Spark Plug 411
As far as the PulseStar plugs go, I replaced my Iridium IX plugs, and I'll have to say I like them(pulse) better. Do they work? For me they do and for the guy who started this thread they did. But if you need scientific results, please See the next link, Sparkplugs.com - Spark Plug 411
Isn't that what they said in 1909 too...?
Nice site! BY the way do you happen to know the tolerance of a dyno ? It is 5% You can make that difference by making runs one after another or waiting fifteen mins. Or just from one day to another. SO the claim of 3 HP on a 200 HP run is less than 1.5% Well within the given tolerance.
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Yeah, I was reading in some doctor's office magazine just the other day, where Fitch and PulStar (not the products themselves, but the companies) were awarded some environmental award or something for saving fuel/emiting less co2 emissions/better bang for the buck all around good performance products. I think it was Power Magazine or something like that.
I was impressed by what I read, and in knowing I had already found these items months ago and can tell you from my viewpoint (I am allowed to have one) that I have seen improvements just as claimed. I'm happy with the plugs and I'm supporting the environment. You buy whatever makes you happy!
Thanks RAD21 for your first report on these pulse plugs. Took a big wallet to try these, plus a willingness to put yourself out there for the crap you took from these guys here. I'm glad to see you are happy with trying these plugs yourself. Good luck and don't let these igorant AHs get you down. They don't have the plugs and haven't tried them, BUT THEY ARE THE EXPERTS when they say these plugs don't work. Yeah, right......
BJ
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w/ all factory packages,Black Onyx 202-rebadged. was stock 31K on 5/9/05, now 56K
*Moto Metal M0951 Gloss Black 17 in. Alloys *SpiderTrax 1.25" Wheel Spacers * Goodyear Fortera TripleTred radials P275/60R17 *
Suspension:
*Bilstein HD Shocks, F&R *Hellwig Rear Sway Bar & Helper Springs *TCS Poly Steering Rack Bushings *Wheeler's Front Sway Bar Bushings *Timbren SES Kit, Front & Rear *
Brakes:
*TRD Big Brake Kit (front) *
BAD BONEZ BJ
Last edited by BAD BONEZ BJ; 05-05-2008 at 09:24 AM.
I am so happy with the pulse plugs and the Fitch unit that I am going to try these on my wife's '06 Sienna. There are no aftermarket performance products for her car. I have done the intake/vacuume/airbox mods as recommended in the E&D Forum and saw an increase in her fuel economy. If I can get the same or better than I got using these products in my truck, then it's a win-win in my book.
If they don't work, they have a 100% money back with no questions asked policy too.....for both products!!!!!!
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