Average lift out of OME coils (883, 884, 885, 886).

[Derek24]

ay Derek, question... did you absolutelyyy neeed the T.C. Ball Joint removal kit in order to remove the upper balls from the spindle, and to get the new joint slug/ parts seated? reason i'm asking is because I ordered the kit from KLM performance and in the mean time all the rest of my suspension parts have arrived (camburgs, 885s, isolators, lower bjs, tie rod ends) .. Now just yesterday I found out KLM was out of stock on the Total Chaos removal kit so they canceled my order... Wheelers DOES have it in stock but if I order it from them tonight (thursday) I probably wont get it for a week... the guy i spoke to at wheelers mentioned I cound probably/ he has used big sockets in place of the metal caps in the kit in order to get the balljoints "popped". do you think this would be too much of a hassle - aka you think me and my certified mechanic friend would be able to get the job done without the kits , just finding the right diameter sockets to do the job? and especially pressing in the new spindle slug adapter? thanks for your input man

Ah man that sucks! Yes if you had a deep socket that fit right on top and a wider open socket for the bottom to go around the ball joint it will work. You could also do to a metal shop and see if they can make you the slug adapters, it's really nothing but pieces of metal welded together,mother must be making $$$$ off of these adapters. You can make this work!

[seanpistol]

I just used a socket!!!

[seanpistol]

and definitely heat up that spindle when you're pressing them out and put the uniballs in the freezer for a while before you press them in. it'll make it a lot easier.

[tundrunk]

You mean put the adapter in the freezer, not the uniball.
Good tip, I didn't do that for the passenger side, but when I did it for the driver side, the adapter went RIGHT in.

[huntark03]

Installing 884's in the morning. Went with them based on the premise that on a second gen Tacoma the Eibach coils provide ~1.6'' of lift, and ToyTec says that on the second notch of the Tundra 5100 they got 2.75" of lift. The 884s on the second gen Tacoma yield ~2" of lift. Based on the difference and the math, the 884's on the second notch of the Tundra 5100s should yield ~2.5" which is what I am looking for...

Comments welcome...

[Stone_Blue]

^^ Good Luck??....

[seanpistol]

Based on the difference and the math, the 884's on the first notch of the Tundra 5100s should yield ~2.5" which is what I am looking for...

Comments welcome...

I'd be surprised if that works out that way

[Derek24]

No way, sorry. 884s are a shorter spring than the 885/886 and what I have, 885, on the second notch I know I did not gain 3 inches of lift, maybe 2.5 inches. Let us know though!

[Stone_Blue]

I dont know, Derek....

First I'll comment on huntarks expectation...I'd be surprised if you get 2.5" on the first notch....3rd, maybe....2nd, possibly....

As to Derek's reasoning, the 884s are only 0.20" shorter. I doubt that 0.20" of unsprung length is gonna give that much difference in lift....UNLESS, maybe the spring rate is also very different, meaning once loaded, the 884s may compress a lot more, giving a bigger difference in final lift.
BUT, there again, Remmy stated on the 1st page of this thread, the specs for both 884 &885s...They were the same specs I came across doing research....
The advertised rates are the SAME for the 884 & 885....Meaning they should (relatively) compress about the same amount....And with 5100s set on the same notch using either spring, I wouldnt be surprised if there is only at most an inch difference in compressed lift, due to that 0.20" difference in length.

OME884 390mm (15.35"), 590lbs/in
OME885 395mm (15.55"), 590lbs/in

With my 5100/885s on 2nd notch, I have 2 3/4" lift....But the tail of the truck is on a slight incline, and not leveled yet...I expect it'll end up at 2", maybe 2 1/4" once its leveled....We'll see...

But then again, this is all anecdotal and theoretical speculation, since there are so many factors and variables involved, as evidenced by so many different people getting so many different results with the same sets of OME/5100's...(And I may also just be full of cr@p...LOL)....So I guess we'll have to see what huntark ends up with...

Just for grins, I'm guessing he'll get 1"-1.5"...

[Localsnap88]

and definitely heat up that spindle when you're pressing them out and put the uniballs in the freezer for a while before you press them in. it'll make it a lot easier.

right on Sean, do you remember what size socket you used to pop the balls out of the spindle, and what size to sink the new slug adapter In? if not , no biggie, I ll just have to start trying different sizes on for fit when i take her apart and hope I have the right sizes that let me get it done.

[seanpistol]

I don't, but it's easy to figure out when you're in there. You needa deep socket to push them out. I pushed the slug adapter in with one of the pieces that came in the 4x4 ball-joint press kit that I rented from Autozone. It's really not too bad of a job, I posted a paragraph in Derek's DIY thread on what helped make it easier for me. Good luck!

[Localsnap88]

gracias my friend. hopin I can get a day off from work this coming monday, tuesday or so and get things rolling. will keep ya posted on how things go

[tundrunk]

The lift ratio for our trucks is 1:1.6. Every one inch of lift at the coilover assembly translates into 1.6 inches of lift at the wheel. Anybody who has bothered with a spacer lift will know that a 3" spacer lift is just over 2" tall.

Hypothetically, because I copied my way through algebra(yet got a better grade than the guy I copied off), if Derek got 2.5" of lift from 885's at the second notch, the 884's should yield 2.2" (or so) lift on the second notch. I don't know the amount of lift each notch provides, and this thread is too long to bother reading to find it, I've never seen so much talking about fractions of inches.

The problem with the equation is, you must be dealing with springs of equal rating in order to estimate using relaxed length of the spring. This is the flaw with comparing lift achieved by Eibach springs vs lift achieved by OME springs. I'm still laughing every time I see this thread grow, my truck's suspension articulates so much that depending on what I ate I may lose 1" of lift on any given day.

[huntark03]

I dont know, Derek....

First I'll comment on huntarks expectation...I'd be surprised if you get 2.5" on the first notch....3rd, maybe....2nd, possibly....

As to Derek's reasoning, the 884s are only 0.20" shorter. I doubt that 0.20" of unsprung length is gonna give that much difference in lift....UNLESS, maybe the spring rate is also very different, meaning once loaded, the 884s may compress a lot more, giving a bigger difference in final lift.
BUT, there again, Remmy stated on the 1st page of this thread, the specs for both 884 &885s...They were the same specs I came across doing research....
The advertised rates are the SAME for the 884 & 885....Meaning they should (relatively) compress about the same amount....And with 5100s set on the same notch using either spring, I wouldnt be surprised if there is only at most an inch difference in compressed lift, due to that 0.20" difference in length.

OME884 390mm (15.35"), 590lbs/in
OME885 395mm (15.55"), 590lbs/in

With my 5100/885s on 2nd notch, I have 2 3/4" lift....But the tail of the truck is on a slight incline, and not leveled yet...I expect it'll end up at 2", maybe 2 1/4" once its leveled....We'll see...

But then again, this is all anecdotal and theoretical speculation, since there are so many factors and variables involved, as evidenced by so many different people getting so many different results with the same sets of OME/5100's...(And I may also just be full of cr@p...LOL)....So I guess we'll have to see what huntark ends up with...

Just for grins, I'm guessing he'll get 1"-1.5"...

I made a mistake in my original post. I meant 884's on the second notch. I have the coils on the shocks now and I am waiting till the morning to replace my CV axles while the struts are out. I will report after my drive around the block at some point tomorrow. Thanks for all the thought put into your response!

[Stone_Blue]

Huntark, definately post up what you get for numbers....Will be interesting to see what 884s on 2nd notch get vs 885s on 2nd notch...
That would get us closer to comparing apples to apples...lol