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1Gen-TundraGeneral discussion forum for the 2000 to 2006 Toyota Tundra.
This is a discussion thread titled "Brake Problems. Will Toyota Help?", within the 1Gen-Tundra forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
being 27 well 28 pretty soon has it's adavanges dont mess with a young person they generally tell you where you go
So do some of the OLD guys -Tv8G ----Hey guys---this "chris" guy got to be pullin everybodys chain -saying he dont know about the brakes on these vehicles. OH--and--motorcycle riding AND skydiving ARE a blast ---even for us 65 year olds ----Buzzard
Chris, I seen the Toyota brake bulletin first in Alldata. This site has all the bulletins listed also. http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/uservehicle.php
I also did some checking on the NHTSA web site. And I will have to say these guys are right. There are actually more complaints about this brake problem then are about the ball joint failures. Check for your self http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ I have to wonder then why the NHTSA is not investigating Toyota on this. Is it because these problems are not causing accidents?
TundraV8Georgia, Do you feel that the new caliper TBS did the trick on your truck or did you have to do more to fix the problem permanently? Many people reported to the NHTSA that the problem came back even after this work was done.
This leads me to believe there is still something being missed here.
Mike
Chris, I seen the Toyota brake bulletin first in Alldata. This site has all the bulletins listed also. http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/uservehicle.php?
I also did some checking on the NHTSA web site. And I will have to say these guys are right. There are actually more complaints about this brake problem then are about the ball joint failures. Check for your self http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/ I have to wonder then why the NHTSA is not investigating Toyota on this. Is it because these problems are not causing accidents?
TundraV8Georgia, Do you feel that the new caliper TBS did the trick on your truck or did you have to do more to fix the problem permanently? Many people reported to the NHTSA that the problem came back even after this work was done.
This leads me to believe there is still something being missed here.
Mike
In my opinion the Tsb is an Islated Fix with less vibes My truck still eat's brake pad's every 25 to 28k on mile's but it's intresting to point out most of my driving is Freeway Travel and going into hill type road's. The Abs Brake system on my truck act's up too on road's with slopes and in wet weature situation it doesn't really provide me enought postive feel and good feedback maybe changing the pad's to sloted router's might help or change the rear to disk brakes (sos performance has for them for $1,800)
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Hmm Very Strange!
Yesterday I posted on a mechanics technical form about the Toyota brake problem. This is well known through the dealers. They tell me most times the caliper upgrade fixes the problems. I also found out that the only reason the wheel bearing is replaced is to allow the remove of the hub to install the backing plate. This is one of the more costly parts of the job. (labor wise) They tell me it is possible to either cut trim and modify the existing baking plate or cut the new one in away that it can be twisted around the hub without removing it. Now the only thing that is needed to be changed is the calipers and brake line (caliper to hose). This is important since this can make this upgrade something that most DIYS can do.
I have decided since I just went completely through my front brakes (Type A) and they are working great with no problems. That I will leave well enough alone for now. If a problem comes up I'll change it over to the upgraded (Type B) brakes at that time.
Tundrav8Georgia, you made a believer out of me but I can't help you on your new upgrades, your just too far away. But if there is anyone in the Cincinnati area that wants to do the Toyota brake upgrade themselves or would liek to get it done, get with me. We'll see what this will cost and I can do a report on what it takes to do.
Mike
Hmm Very Strange!
Yesterday I posted on a mechanics technical form about the Toyota brake problem. This is well known through the dealers. They tell me most times the caliper upgrade fixes the problems. I also found out that the only reason the wheel bearing is replaced is to allow the remove of the hub to install the backing plate. This is one of the more costly parts of the job. (labor wise) They tell me it is possible to either cut trim and modify the existing baking plate or cut the new one in away that it can be twisted around the hub without removing it. Now the only thing that is needed to be changed is the calipers and brake line (caliper to hose). This is important since this can make this upgrade something that most DIYS can do.
I have decided since I just went completely through my front brakes (Type A) and they are working great with no problems. That I will leave well enough alone for now. If a problem comes up I'll change it over to the upgraded (Type B) brakes at that time.
Tundrav8Georgia, you made a believer out of me but I can't help you on your new upgrades, your just too far away. But if there is anyone in the Cincinnati area that wants to do the Toyota brake upgrade themselves or would liek to get it done, get with me. We'll see what this will cost and I can do a report on what it takes to do.
Mike
Ill be in the OHio area this week (thur sept 8) .Driving to Detroit MI this aint the far from you now if i recall looking over my map's and cell phone Gps..Tundra brakes upgrades are pretty long The dealership had my truck for 2 day's working on it and provided a Loaner in my case
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Sorry, I'm only available on the weekends. The job keeps me busy all week long.
Two days! The bulletin only give 5 1/2 hours for that job and most tech can cut a some time off that. By eliminating the bearing replacement the job could be cut down to two hours or less.
Just replacing front rotors should take about an hour. A rear disc kit would greatly depended on how complete the kit is. Some times aftermarket kit can tie you up all day if you need to fabricate parts they did not provide.
Mike
If they want to give me a new truck to shut me up, that will work too.
Otherwise I'll keep in their face until they repair mine.
My truck went into the shop for the fifth time today. A little while ago I got a call from the mechanic that he was finished.
He said that he turned the rotors and scuffed the glaze off of the front pads.
DeJaVu! That is exactally what they did 5,000 miles ago,,, and guess what,,, it didn't work then, and I doubt that it will work now.
He did say that he got the runout down to .1 from .6 (I hope that I got the points in the right place.) Would this make a huge difference???
I asked the customer service rep to stop throwing parts at me, and he swore that there was a new fix. In fact, he told me that the factory rep would be here Wed and Thurs, and I HAD to be here one of those two days. As it turned out, the rep won't be here for 2 more weeks, and he denied saying it in front of other employees. He blew a lot of smoke at me today, and I'm not very pleased.
I told them that I will most likely be seeing them in 5,000 miles, and I'll be bringing a friend.
JERKS!
My truck went into the shop for the fifth time today. A little while ago I got a call from the mechanic that he was finished.
He said that he turned the rotors and scuffed the glaze off of the front pads.
DeJaVu! That is exactally what they did 5,000 miles ago,,, and guess what,,, it didn't work then, and I doubt that it will work now.
He did say that he got the runout down to .1 from .6 (I hope that I got the points in the right place.) Would this make a huge difference???
I asked the customer service rep to stop throwing parts at me, and he swore that there was a new fix. In fact, he told me that the factory rep would be here Wed and Thurs, and I HAD to be here one of those two days. As it turned out, the rep won't be here for 2 more weeks, and he denied saying it in front of other employees. He blew a lot of smoke at me today, and I'm not very pleased.
I told them that I will most likely be seeing them in 5,000 miles, and I'll be bringing a friend.
JERKS!
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I've given Up on Toyota service dept Only thing I used them for is oil changes.Far as brakes there as useless as it get's and the factory pad's are a POs In my opinion..Yea I am a car guy But rather find some part's other then TOyota Pos TO add on my brakes....Toyota service on this Topic is generally pretty bad and I generally would tell them where to go Under the 3/36k warrenty fix it or else deal with a bitchey customer like me take your pick ...My advice be fair and firm and tell them I didn't buy a Toyota to have these types of problem's.If you treat them right Maybe you will have some chance on the end On a fix beleieve me I've had my share of dealings with them on this topic too so your not the only one ..
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I agree that within the first 3 years the dealer should do the vehilce maintenance no questions asked. But dealers ships are not the manufacturer...so...
However after that third year something like brakes should be taken care of by yourself.
I agree that within the first 3 years the dealer should do the vehilce maintenance no questions asked. But dealers ships are not the manufacturer...so...
However after that third year something like brakes should be taken care of by yourself.
You are mistaken. This is an item that I have had at the dealership over and over and over while under warranty, and it was never fixed correctly,,, BECAUSE it is a faulty item. Granted, the dealership didn't build the truck, and shouldn't be responsible for the repair, however, Toyota Corporation should be held liable for making it right.
I don't have a problem with wear items, but having the rotors warp every five thousand miles means that something is wrong.
My last truck was a half ton GMC extra cab. The same truck that I have now, except a lot heavier. I changed my front pads at seventy thousand, and there was still pad left. It just seemed like the right thing to do. My rotors never warped... 70 thousand VS. 5 thousand, and at 5 thousand the rotors were shot on the Tundra. It ain't me, and I shouldn't be responsible for fixing THEIR problem every five thousand miles. There are 750,000 Tundras out there which 90% have issues.
How can you not think that Toyota is responsible to provide a solution???
Do you work for Toyota?
I must admit one thing here, I have never had to use a dealers service department for any thing. I do know about your frustration, part of my job now it taking care of customer complaints. What I don't get is why they didn't do the TSB on your truck.
You should print a copy of BR004-02 and take this in to them or call the customer service rep back and say, hey there is a fix I have it here on paper why can't you guys do it.
Toyota has come up with this fix so the dealer has a way to take care of your complaint, It just doesn't make sense that they haven't used it.
Mike
i agree with mevang, they like on my truck did not do your tsb as outlined, you should have had calipers even if thats not the problem, on my truck they skipd the front rotor replacement, they finaly did the work out of warranty, the strange thing is that now i have no steering wheel shimy on my 20x10 wheels at 65mph must have been the warpd rotors, they should have had a recall, i never heard about the ball joints till recall, but i garranty you any toyota tundra owner has heard of the brake problems. if mine acts up again and it will in about 10k from now im going with driled and sloted rotors and aftermarket pads
I had a run in with the dealer / district rep over the brake pulsation issue. I had about 30K on the truck, made an appointment for the next week just before the 36 month mark.
They punched in the VIN and it said it was a day or two out of warranty and even though I made the appointment while in warranty, it didn't matter. I asked to talk to the Toyota Rep. and was told I couldn't. I have a MAJOR problem with not being able to talk to the judge and jury myself!
I remembered that it was the end of the month not the middle of the month when I bought the truck but some paperwork was backdated to shift my payment due date. I explained that and still got no action until I found one document with the date I claimed on it.
One more call to the dealer, told him I had evidence and that they would take care of the issue under warranty or see me in court and guess what.... they became as nice as could be!
The good news is that after almost 12 months with the upgrade all seems just fine.
----Hey guys---this "chris" guy got to be pullin everybodys chain -saying he dont know about the brakes on these vehicles. 
OH--and--motorcycle riding AND skydiving ARE a blast ---even for us 65 year olds 
----Buzzard
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