I am replacing my brake pads on my 03 Tundra SR5 TRD 4x4 tomorrow, (31K miles,) and would like some input on what brand of pads work best and are most durable, (i.e. don't wear out fast.) Anyone have some input?
Thanks in advance.
My First choice is to use the OEM pads, always the best for the application. Second choice is Raybestos pads. Just get their premium OEM type replacement. Not always their most expensive. Stay away from any new trick materials like ceramic, or Kevlar. These type of pad are hard on rotors and are just used to sell more pads to uneducated consumers.
Mike
They are used by most Euro and Asian OEM's.Most Toyota pads are manufactured by Sumitomo or Akebono.As stated in the article,brake choices are a compromise depending upon usage.
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yeah, like most aftermarket products, it depends what you want to do. good sticky tires doesn't last as long as high mileage tires which don't grip as good. same with brake pads. if you're looking for longer wear, you probably won't get as good a stopping power. i realize that is oversimplified, but just making the point that your choice depends on what you want to accomplish.
i've had really good performance in my car from axxiss metal masters. they haven't been too hard on my powerstop cross-drilled rotors and stop extremely well. although they did squeek a lot during the break in period. now they show very little wear and are very predictable in all types of weather. i don't know if they make them for tundras or how they would perform in a truck application. other folks on this forum seem to like hawks and some prefer the oem. i will plan to research it and upgrade from the OEM when the time comes.
The people on this forum prefer the semi-metalic because they offer increased stopping power at higher temps,as they probably use their vehicles harder.Any vehicle at my shop that has a noise complaint has semi-metalic pads about 99% of the time,and these are just commuter driven vehicles by very non-aggressive drivers that want that quiet OE brake operation.I just want you to realize that ceramics are NOT junk,just not the best for higher performance.
I had to laugh at the paragraph from RACESHOPPER about OE not using the best parts they can.That may apply to the domestics,and was probably alot more relevant 10 years ago.Most of the parts you would consider an upgrade on a Chebbie is OE on a Toyota.
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*Testing ROCKS - parts swapping is for the . *Anybody can take a dump in a box and mark it guarranteed,but what you really need to do is buy a quality part.... "Tommy Boy"
I had to laugh at the paragraph from RACESHOPPER about OE not using the best parts they can.That may apply to the domestics,and was probably alot more relevant 10 years ago.Most of the parts you would consider an upgrade on a Chebbie is OE on a Toyota.
That's not a tech article, that's a add for brake pads!
Brake pad compounds are very complicated and are one of the most highly engineered parts of a vehicle. I won't go into OEM materials as I'd have to dig out some old copy's of Brake and Front end and it's gets complicated and boring. But just keep this in mine, the only brake pad certified to work properly under all conditions are the OEM pads.
Vehicle manufactures have to prove that the vehicle can stop under certain severe conditions in a reasonable stopping distance. This is done under controlled conditions. This happens only after the brakes pass a number of brake dyno tests. All this testing determines what material compound goes into a pad for a Tundra verse a pad for a Celica
When you by Joe Blow's magic Ceramic brake pads you get the same material for Celica as a Tundra as a Chevy Chevett. They may do a generic dyno test and that's it. But no pad manufacturer test their range of pads on all vehicle they make pads for. That's why the magic brake material of the day, doesn't work on every vehicle and almost always have some undesired effects.
What's worse there are no industrial standards to rate brake pad materials. No system in place to make sure the pad material that Auto Zone sells you for your Tundra isn't the same stuff they use for a Yugo brake pad.
Raybestos some years back wanted to start a standard system of regulating brake pad material for the aftermarket. They started a system they called D3EA Certified Brake Materials. It was a certification system used to rate brake pad materials as close to OEM as possible without actually doing weeks of on car testing. This never caught on in the industry and so only Raybestos uses it in their Professional grade pads.
So now you know the ugly truth about brake pad materials, you can take it for what it's worth, but after being in the brake service industry for 25 years and being forced to uses whatever brake pad that the "Company" bought at that time I can tell you, it's a shot in the dark. And any time I had a problem customer and could justify it I went pack to the OEM to solve the problem and they were always happy.
So again, here is what you want to use. First choice always OEM second choice Raybestos professional grade pads. Other wise it's a shot in the dark.
Mike
I have a rather silly question.....What are "OEM" brakes? Is there a company name with those kind? Thanks for your help! -Rob
OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) means they were made by or for the original manufacturer of; in this case the vehicle.
Larry
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Raybestos did not initiate D3EA,it was created by an independent lab called Greening Testing Laboratories in Detroit.Raybestos,NAPA,Satified Brake,AC Delco and many more all use D3EA testing.
Raybestos Professional Grade pads happen to be ceramic.Akebono and Sumitomo also make OE brake pads for Toyota-so why would they make their own label brake pads out of something inferior when they already have the spec for the OE proprietary compound.I agree that one should research and find a high quality part,but to advise people use only OEM or Raybestos Professional Grade is somewhat dated.There are some instances where one may wish to switch to a semi-metalic pad for severe heat-generating conditions.
Scroll down to the last page,last paragraph "The Next Breakthrough"
__________________ *A parts man with a code-reader is NOT your friend! *The most expensive parts are the cheap ones that let you down.
*Testing ROCKS - parts swapping is for the . *Anybody can take a dump in a box and mark it guarranteed,but what you really need to do is buy a quality part.... "Tommy Boy"
Raybestos did not initiate D3EA,it was created by an independent lab called Greening Testing Laboratories in Detroit.Raybestos,NAPA,Satified Brake,AC Delco and many more all use D3EA testing.
Raybestos Professional Grade pads happen to be ceramic.Akebono and Sumitomo also make OE brake pads for Toyota-so why would they make their own label brake pads out of something inferior when they already have the spec for the OE proprietary compound.I agree that one should research and find a high quality part,but to advise people use only OEM or Raybestos Professional Grade is somewhat dated.There are some instances where one may wish to switch to a semi-metalic pad for severe heat-generating conditions.
Scroll down to the last page,last paragraph "The Next Breakthrough"
Sorry I did not mean to make it sound like D3EA was Raybestos own invention. Your right, it is an independent testing lab, and Raybestos was the first to start pushes their certification as a selling point. Now the last that I knew Napa was selling re boxed Raybestos pads. A/C Delco is an OEM pad manufacturer. Their pad might be right on GM standards for GM applications. But you don't know about other applications. At times Chrysler used to get brake component from A/C now they may not. I never heard of Satisfied Brake maybe a re box.
Here's some more for you Abex brake is a major player for OEM they used to make pads for Chrysler also. Bendix makes some OEM pad but for who and at what time, it's hard to say. Akebono and Sumitomo do make Toyota's brake pads and as far as I know always did. The point is if you can put the two together and make a connection that's good, but most people can't, so they are better off buying their pads at the dealer.You must also be aware that even if it is an OEM pad supplier, the pad material they use may not be the same as OEM. For instance, GM dealers sold two lines of pads (they may still do), the exact replacement original and a cheaper pad made by A/C Delco. Dealer are doing this more to compete in the aftermarket. It's what consumers will pay for.
One other point of clarification, I'm not saying ceramic material in pads is bad. I am just saying don't fall into the trap of buying the magic brake material of the day. Stay away from off name pad manufactures, you really don't know what they are selling. Many times they do just re box someone else pads, but don't buy them just because they are ceramic, metallic kevlar or whatever. A good pad blend for one vehicle might not work well for another.
One last thing, it is possible for drivers driving habits or driving conditions to be all wrong for the OEM pad. I have seen this many times. In this case trying different pads till you find one that works may be necessary. But that doesn't mean what has solved your problem will work for someone else. Most cases the OEM does the best job for most people.
Mike
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