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This is a discussion thread titled "The Truth about Trucks !!!!", within the 1Gen-Tundra forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
[quote=toyotadude04]Yeah, you all should have bought the Ford . But I was shocked at how bad the Tundra's bed flexed in the Silver Creek video, tho. And the exhaust banging against the body . Was that the dual exhaust Toyota offers as an add-on or was that an aftermarket system? Definitely not stock. I have to admit, the Ford is structually stiffer than the competition.
That's the TRD Dual Exhaust. Mine came stock from the factory.
I noticed that they were not driving a TRD.... Wonder Y?
They can Polish that TURD all they want. I have one of the best vehicles in production today.... and I've been drivin FORDs all my life....
Plus what they dont tell you is that for a similar F-150 Super Crew with a 5 foot Box, you'll need $40,000.00
I almost bought one but I test drove both vehicles on the same day.
Toyota Tundra hands down.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....... ....Good one! I guess that post got deleted?
Anyway, I was still shocked at how loose the exhaust was. It shouldn't be like that. And waht the heck was wrong with the gas door. Dam thing was about ready to come off . However those bumps were really bad and they were driving really fast over them.
You all really should go test drive all the different makes and come back and post your opinion, The New style F150 has a more smooth, solid feel... the Tundie has this kind of smooth, flexing sensation as your going down the road.... due to the diffrence in frame construction no doubt... for your input
Actually as a deign feature you want a certain amount of flex in a frame. A ridged frame is great for a race car, it's bad on a street vehicle and really bad on a truck. If your frame is ridged you must pick up ride quality somewhere. It has to come from softer suspension, softer body isolation mounts all which take away from the truck somewhere else. What you really want is a good balance of frame twist and suspension isolation to give a good ride without too much sacrifice on load carrying capacity.
It's good to see a lot of twist in the beds on the bumpy roads this show the bed is well isolated from the body, exact what you want when you have a lot of load. Ever notice how the truck feels more solid when you have a load? I wonder what the Ford feels like with a load. One last thing the bothers me about Fords frame, Boxed frame like this tend to rust out quickly. Even if they put in drains, dirt will clog them and water will sit in these frames, very bad design! Open frame don't rust out, but you may have noticed the Tundra frame used much thicker metals then the Chevy. Here's real life stuff!
Mike
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The construction of Ford trucks is second to none. Rust in the closed frame is not a problem given modern e-coating pocesses. The rest of the truck will fall apart before the frame rots out, unless you drive in the ocean!
The problem is that you don't NEED that much frame under a 1/2 ton truck. It adds cost, weight, and as has been pointed out, you have to make up those factors elsewhere.
Now, if you need a big tow rig, an F-350 is probably the best choice. If you are like me and haul some stuff, tow some light stuff, and all that, the Tundra is a great balance of comfort, size, value, performance, etc.
I was able to "build" my vehicle and found one near me for $29k. That was a Super Cab 2wd with 5.4L, LSD, tow package, some other trim options, with a 6 1/2' bed. Not bad. Never driven one and I'm very happy with my Tundra...plus, my Tundra is paid for.
A ridged frame is great for a race car, it's bad on a street vehicle and really bad on a truck.
A rigid frame is great on a street car as well. Research it up. Every manufacture trys to improve its frame twisting and bending resistance with every redesign. Frame needs to be softer in the crumple zone to crush in a accident buy stiff in every other way.
Interesting and well done ad campaign, makes me think it's exactly what the Former Soviet Union would put together trying to compare their Air Force to ours. "See this MIG-25 flap, big heavy, strong, here's one off of an American F-14 well they took a little different approach don't you think"
I think its a safe bet that the new Tundra wll employ a similar frame design to the F150 this time around. It may not be quite as beefy but I expect a fully boxed frame, possibly hydroformed, to make it a lot stiffer. And compared to the F150, the front suspension parts on the Tundra were a lot smaller. But you have to ask youself, is it necessary to have them THAT big? I haven't heard of a Tundra's LCA or spindle breaking.
And the Chevy's front structure is a joke. I couldn't believe it. But what do you want to bet the old F150's was exactly the same? Anybody else see the crash test on that black F150 a few years back? Hideous.
When all is said and done, of course the Ford is going to be better designed and engineered in some areas than the Tundra and Silverado. The Tundra's overall design and structure dates back to 1999 and the Silverado's to late 1998, and was merely "tweaked" from the previous gen. Just wait till "The Truth About Trucks" is updated for 2007. I have a feeling the new Tundra and Silverado will give Ford a run for its [dwindling] money.
Ford or Nissan is what I originally set out to get..... test drove a used Tundra and went straight to the Toyota dealership. There are definitely some visual and 'blingy' things about the other two that are nice, but the Toy seemed to be the best truck to live with as a daily driver...... and if I don't like the '07 and decide to keep it, it will last a while!
Does anybody have the factory dual exhaust on their DC? I just can't for a second believe it is that loose. Thats rediculous. My dad's stock Tundra tailpipe is not near that loose, it is solid as a rock. I think that test was rigged and the exhaust was tampered with. It just doesn't make sense. And the reason the Tundra flexed so much was because the frame is not as stong as the rest and it is so friggin loooong. It was the longest truck there with the longest wheelbase and the longest bed. Couple that with the weak frame and fleeexxxxxxx. As for the fuel filler door, it must me similar to my taco's. It will fly open on gravel roads.
Why do you want a rigid frame on a truck? I would rather have a frame that can twist and flex with the conditions then one that break or cracks at the seams. The question here is, is the hydro formed frame really more rigid? They want you to believe it. If you want no twist just buy a Honda Ridgeline. The body is one piece unibody construction. Beats the Ford hands down. I didn't see them test this truck.
I still would bet Ford has rust issue 10 years down the road with these truck frame. Even if by some act of God water can't find its way into this frame. The weld through frame sections are hollow. I can see debris getting lodged in there and water being trapped in the frame rails. We'll just have to see on this but this is how a auto restorer look at these things.
It think TXBL sums this up the best, great advertising!
Mike
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Re: The Truth about Trucks !!!!
. But I was shocked at how bad the Tundra's bed flexed in the Silver Creek video, tho. And the exhaust banging against the body
. Was that the dual exhaust Toyota offers as an add-on or was that an aftermarket system? Definitely not stock. I have to admit, the Ford is structually stiffer than the competition.
I've seen the error of my ways and and selling my P.O.S. Tundra and buying an F 150. NOT!
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