Not to mention that fact that a Prius will set you back more financially than the Tundra will in the long term. Hybrids only save you money when you are sitting in traffic. While driving, the electric engine isn't on so you might as well be driving a gas-powered Corolla. Add the fact that the batteries in these cars cost upwards of $5,000 to replace and the math doesnt add up. Hybrids are nothing more than a 'feel-good' purchase.
The electric motor actually runs you down the freeway and other times to. It depends on the skinny pedal and terrain. Up hills and on hard acceleration it is gas but cruising is electric. Hence the anger at them being able to drive in the car pool lane. They do 55-60 so they get the good mileage and block the lane.
__________________ '05 Tundra DC TRD 2 WHL: The TOW truck, Spectra Mica Blue, with Kenwood H/U, Kenwood Amp and crossover. Infinity 6010cs, 10" Rockford SUB, 6 disc CD Changer mounted in Center console, SWI-X to retain steering wheel controls, 7" TV with DVD. Tinted Windows, Three chamber Flowmaster, Painted front chrome strip
1994 Toy: The TOY Standard cab, Long travel front pulling13" w/Double fox w/Res, Deaver rear at 18" w/Single 2.5 18" fox w/Res., full glass, Bumper to Bumper cage, Gusseted frame, PRP seats, Crow harnesses, Custom steering(All Heims & Chromoly), Grant steering wheel, Smoothest ride around. OH by the way only 70,000 miles.
Consumer Reports did a comparison between owning a hybrid vs a gas powered car. After a 5-year period, not a single hybrid saved any money. Aside from the higher sticker price, it seems like hybrids depreciate much faster. The extra cost of owning a hybrid over a 5 year period ranges from $3,700 (Civic vs. Civic Hybrid) - $13,300 (Higlander vs. Highlander Hybrid).
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Originally Posted by CMB1998
Window sticker sad that I should expect 14-17mpg. I have yet to get a tank over 13.5 and that includes two VERY long road trips.
Have you ever seen a car actually get the mileage that was posted on the sticker? I always assume I'm going to get about 2mpg under what it says on the sticker. I heard that there is a push to get auto companies to change how they calculate mpg
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'01 Color-Keyed Limited Tundra TRD 4x4
JBA Headers, TRD Exhaust, IS Grill, IS Bilsteins, Hellwig Sway Bar, AR-23 wheels w/ 265/75 Yokohama AT's, SnugTop XV Shell, BedRug, Yakima Rack
When I bought the truck, gas was $1 and I was spending $150~$200/month. Now the least I can get away with is $500~$600/month. So it's not that I bought my truck expecting great mileage, I bought it knowing the mileage and figuring I could support the $200 monthly gas bill. What I didn't expect was gas prices to triple in the last 5 years.
So here's my rant to add to the original one:
All these folks, telling me to 'alter' my driving habits. uh, there's a thing called WORK. I guess I could call my boss and tell him I can't come in because I have decided to 'alter' my driving habits. Then I could be fired and my driving habits would be 'altered' completely.
Hybrids are ridiculous, at least for me. Most of my driving is freeway, a hybrid doesn't buy me anything except a free pass to the toll/carpool lanes.
And people telling me, "dude you know Starbucks coffee cost $100/gallon. Gas is still cheap at $3.00". Uh, yeah. The only difference is I don't drink 50 freaking gallons of Starbucks a week.
/Mike
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2001 2WD Silver Tundra: 4x4 TRD springs, Daystar 1", Carson AAL, red/blue Bilsteins, 265/75 Revo's, IS kit(minus bumper) and rims(hand polished), RF851X amp, Alpine HU, JL 6.5"XR comps, Qlogic with JL 8W3V2 subs. 185k miles and counting......
2005 Silver Sienna LE with 12" Overhead DVD
I think "Beaters" are a great investment for a family person. Families tend you go thru cars and the wise thing to do is keep a car as long as possible. People tend to want to buy new whenever they need a car. That is the best way to waste money. A family needs 2 cars so make the second car a reliable beater. My beater is a 92 Nissan 240sx. Cost me $1500. Installed a set of brakes and some struts. It's a great car. I have put over 30K miles on it in the last couple years. When I bring the truck in for service my beater is ready. Want to drive 300miles to Denver and the beater is ready. Need to haul a load, go to a jobsite, etc. I take the Tundra. It's all in how you do the beater. Having 3 cars with only two drivers is a waste. But make your second car a good reliable cheap car and your golden. One of these days I will do that engine swap in the beater and really get to enjoy the car. My wife and I jokingly call the Tundra "Porky" and the 240 "zippy". It just seems to fit.
I have 4 cars. 3 are mine one is the wifes. Don't let her hear me say that.
1 is my desert toy,25 mpg 1 is my Tundra for towing the toy and daily driving, 10 towing and 18 up to 20 daily??? 3rd is my 1956 Mercury which is being restored ??mpgs and my wifes Celica drives us everywhere else because it gets around 30+mpg.
__________________ '05 Tundra DC TRD 2 WHL: The TOW truck, Spectra Mica Blue, with Kenwood H/U, Kenwood Amp and crossover. Infinity 6010cs, 10" Rockford SUB, 6 disc CD Changer mounted in Center console, SWI-X to retain steering wheel controls, 7" TV with DVD. Tinted Windows, Three chamber Flowmaster, Painted front chrome strip
1994 Toy: The TOY Standard cab, Long travel front pulling13" w/Double fox w/Res, Deaver rear at 18" w/Single 2.5 18" fox w/Res., full glass, Bumper to Bumper cage, Gusseted frame, PRP seats, Crow harnesses, Custom steering(All Heims & Chromoly), Grant steering wheel, Smoothest ride around. OH by the way only 70,000 miles.
When I bought the truck, gas was $1 and I was spending $150~$200/month. Now the least I can get away with is $500~$600/month. So it's not that I bought my truck expecting great mileage, I bought it knowing the mileage and figuring I could support the $200 monthly gas bill. What I didn't expect was gas prices to triple in the last 5 years.
So here's my rant to add to the original one:
All these folks, telling me to 'alter' my driving habits. uh, there's a thing called WORK. I guess I could call my boss and tell him I can't come in because I have decided to 'alter' my driving habits. Then I could be fired and my driving habits would be 'altered' completely.
Hybrids are ridiculous, at least for me. Most of my driving is freeway, a hybrid doesn't buy me anything except a free pass to the toll/carpool lanes.
And people telling me, "dude you know Starbucks coffee cost $100/gallon. Gas is still cheap at $3.00". Uh, yeah. The only difference is I don't drink 50 freaking gallons of Starbucks a week.
/Mike
LOL that's funny on the starbucks coffee issue. I seem to have that every morning traveling to work and My advice is this is the wake up call for the given day
I think the stronger point of hybrids, for those who are interested in owning them, is that they use less fossil fuel, not just that they cost less at the gas pump.
As for Tundras, and their MPG, some post as much as 22 mpg, and some, like me, post 12 mpg. The wide variance has always bugged me, and I AM NOT a leadfoot.
This "rant" thread is acceptable. I agree. If you need a truck, make your best decision buying one for your use. If you're trying to get out of it when gas hits $3 a gallon, then you never needed a truck.
And...if my Tundra had a manual tranny, I could coast from Denver to San Francisco and get better mpg.
When I bought the truck, gas was $1 and I was spending $150~$200/month. Now the least I can get away with is $500~$600/month. So it's not that I bought my truck expecting great mileage, I bought it knowing the mileage and figuring I could support the $200 monthly gas bill. What I didn't expect was gas prices to triple in the last 5 years.
Do you NEED a truck for work? If you do then the company should be paying your expenses. If they won't pay for your expenses on the truck then buy a beater and drive a beater. Drive the truck for truck stuff and the other for errands. I never really understood why most people feel they need a truck to drive to work. But thats what they do. Trust me those days are long gone. 10 years from now no one is going to be driving a big truck to work unless they need it. It's silly.
Do you NEED a truck for work? If you do then the company should be paying your expenses. If they won't pay for your expenses on the truck then buy a beater and drive a beater. Drive the truck for truck stuff and the other for errands. I never really understood why most people feel they need a truck to drive to work. But thats what they do. Trust me those days are long gone. 10 years from now no one is going to be driving a big truck to work unless they need it. It's silly.
There is a lot of key reason why people need's truck for example I haul sport bikes to the track with friends and do the Normal Home Depot gardening project that kept me busy in My backyard. I Don't see a need for people buying those huge Super duty Ford truck but for some reason There is a use for them being outside of the construction Industry and I hate to see what they pay On Gas / Diesel.. The Tundra 16mpg Is just as good as my Friend Jeep Grand Cherokee and Mine is bigger.
I'm a bit upset with the miles per gallon my Tundra is getting..
I have 4,500 miles on it and I only broke into the 13/mpg once
I do over half of my driving on the highway and I barely press the gas pedal to get that 13 mpg....
My sticker said 15 city 18 highway(i know the fine print at the bottom say differently) but if you baby the gas and drive at least 1/2 your miles on the highway then shouldn't I get somewhere between the 15-18 as advertised???
bottomline is i'm basically getting 12 miles per gallon(driving like an old lady) which IMO is terrible when compared to what the sticker says.Yes I know it's a truck but thats NOT the point of my grip.....
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2006 Tundra DC 4x4 V-8,Bridgestone Revo's,Westin Platinum Series Black Nerf Bars,Wade Vent Visors,Husky Floor Liners, Wheeler Coils..
LOL that's funny on the starbucks coffee issue. I seem to have that every morning traveling to work and My advice is this is the wake up call for the given day
Daily starbucks coffee at least $3.00
$3.00 X's 5 days a (work)week= $15.00
= at least $60.00 a month
= at least $720.00 a year.
Starbucks Denies Coffee to Marines !!
Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks
because they wanted
to let them know how much they liked their coffee
and to request
that they send some of it to the troops there.
Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for
their support
of their business, but that Starbucks does not
support the war, nor
anyone in it, and that they would not send the
troops their brand
of coffee.
So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should'nt
support them by
buying any of their products!
As a war vet writing to fellow patriots, I feel we
should get this
out in the open. I know this war might not be very
popular with
some folks, but that doesn't mean we don't support
the boys on the
groundfighting street-to-street and house-to-house
for what they
and I believe is right.
Thanks very much for your support I know you'll all
be there again
when I deploy once more.
"Semper Fidelis."
Sgt Howard C. Wright
1st Force Recon Co
1st Plt PLT Coffee pot $20.00
screen filter $5.00
2 lbs.of coffee $4.99
Daily starbucks coffee at least $3.00
$3.00 X's 5 days a (work)week= $15.00
= at least $60.00 a month
= at least $720.00 a year.
Starbucks Denies Coffee to Marines !!
Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks
because they wanted
to let them know how much they liked their coffee
and to request
that they send some of it to the troops there.
Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for
their support
of their business, but that Starbucks does not
support the war, nor
anyone in it, and that they would not send the
troops their brand
of coffee.
So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should'nt
support them by
buying any of their products!
As a war vet writing to fellow patriots, I feel we
should get this
out in the open. I know this war might not be very
popular with
some folks, but that doesn't mean we don't support
the boys on the
groundfighting street-to-street and house-to-house
for what they
and I believe is right.
Thanks very much for your support I know you'll all
be there again
when I deploy once more.
"Semper Fidelis."
Sgt Howard C. Wright
1st Force Recon Co
1st Plt PLT Coffee pot $20.00
screen filter $5.00
2 lbs.of coffee $4.99
$720 a year's yikes I didnt know i was spending that..
There is a lot of key reason why people need's truck for example I haul sport bikes to the track with friends and do the Normal Home Depot gardening project that kept me busy in My backyard. I Don't see a need for people buying those huge Super duty Ford truck but for some reason There is a use for them being outside of the construction Industry and I hate to see what they pay On Gas / Diesel.. The Tundra 16mpg Is just as good as my Friend Jeep Grand Cherokee and Mine is bigger.
My point is you may need a truck but you don't need to drive that truck to work. You would also be suprised how much you can get done with a 8 ft utility trailer. I built a house using one of those and no truck. Most cars can tow 2000lbs and that is plenty for home projects. If it's not just get the material delivered. I'm a Homebuilder/Contractor and I can tell you that most the time even I don't need to drive a truck.
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Originally Posted by redman733
bottomline is i'm basically getting 12 miles per gallon(driving like an old lady) which IMO is terrible when compared to what the sticker says.Yes I know it's a truck but thats NOT the point of my grip.....
I get 16mpg in the city/combined that I do (06 DC 4x4). Thats at 5000ft so it's a little better then what you could do. I think you truely need to examine your driving habits. How often does your engine see over 2500rpm. You truely need to drive carefully.
JBL,
CAP here again.
When I bought me fairly new 06 DC 4x4, I knew it was only rated for 14 in town and 17 on the road. Been getting that on both counts. Sure I'd like better gas mileage AND more power, but the 2 are reverse proportional in most cases.
I'm keeping my truck as long as possible. I may drive a little less, or not just run across town for an unneeded trip, but I'm not ditching my truck just because gas went up 60 cents in the last few weeks. Same for my boat, and it's not a gas guzzling boat either.
Do you NEED a truck for work? If you do then the company should be paying your expenses. If they won't pay for your expenses on the truck then buy a beater and drive a beater. Drive the truck for truck stuff and the other for errands. I never really understood why most people feel they need a truck to drive to work. But thats what they do. Trust me those days are long gone. 10 years from now no one is going to be driving a big truck to work unless they need it. It's silly.
What V8 said. Actually, I do occasionally use it for work. But that's not why I got it. I got it for the dirt bikes, home depot, etc.. Basically, I don't know how homeowners can NOT have a truck. I'm always using it to haul stuff. But yeah, I could get a Corolla(I'm currently figuring cost/benefit and at $3/gall. I can basically get a new corolla and it will pay for itself). But then that forces me to have 3 vehicles. Minivan for the wife, truck for hauling, commuter car for daily driver.
In a perfect world, I'd get a new doublecab truck for the wife and kids(don't think she'd appreciate that) and a corolla for myself to commute. But this truck is paid off, van is almost paid off, and I think there are still plenty of miles to be gotten out of them.
Then again, as in other threads, there is always safety to consider. Travel at 80mph and have a lifted F150 with 40" tires tailgating you and tell me you feel safe in a little car/motorcycle. I think that's another reason we all have this 'bigger is better' mentality.
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2001 2WD Silver Tundra: 4x4 TRD springs, Daystar 1", Carson AAL, red/blue Bilsteins, 265/75 Revo's, IS kit(minus bumper) and rims(hand polished), RF851X amp, Alpine HU, JL 6.5"XR comps, Qlogic with JL 8W3V2 subs. 185k miles and counting......
2005 Silver Sienna LE with 12" Overhead DVD
What V8 said. Actually, I do occasionally use it for work. But that's not why I got it. I got it for the dirt bikes, home depot, etc.. Basically, I don't know how homeowners can NOT have a truck. I'm always using it to haul stuff. But yeah, I could get a Corolla(I'm currently figuring cost/benefit and at $3/gall. I can basically get a new corolla and it will pay for itself). But then that forces me to have 3 vehicles. Minivan for the wife, truck for hauling, commuter car for daily driver.
In a perfect world, I'd get a new doublecab truck for the wife and kids(don't think she'd appreciate that) and a corolla for myself to commute. But this truck is paid off, van is almost paid off, and I think there are still plenty of miles to be gotten out of them.
Then again, as in other threads, there is always safety to consider. Travel at 80mph and have a lifted F150 with 40" tires tailgating you and tell me you feel safe in a little car/motorcycle. I think that's another reason we all have this 'bigger is better' mentality.
Safety this is reason why I drive a Toyota Tundra to and from Work and yes this was my Tundra broadsided at 45 mph head on my side driving a car like a corolla in the city environment I drive into is crazy...
Re: Wait, my Tundra doesn't get 40mpg???
'05 Tundra DC TRD 2 WHL: The TOW truck, Spectra Mica Blue, with Kenwood H/U, Kenwood Amp and crossover. Infinity 6010cs, 10" Rockford SUB, 6 disc CD Changer mounted in Center console, SWI-X to retain steering wheel controls, 7" TV with DVD. Tinted Windows, Three chamber Flowmaster, Painted front chrome strip 
1994 Toy: 
and I hate to see what they pay On Gas / Diesel.. The Tundra 16mpg Is just as good as my Friend Jeep Grand Cherokee and Mine is bigger.
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