[quote=TXJBL]"Oh no, gas is $3 a gallon, I'm going to have to trade in my truck" quote]
I agree with you whole heartedly and understand that a V8 isn't going to get amazing mileage. However, I will complain that gas is $3.00 a gallon whether I am getting 10 mpg or 40! Facts are, Exxon made more in 4th quarter PROFITS than Wal-Mart did in 4th quarter sales last year. That being said, I think gas should be regulated especially considering that there are untapped reserves all over this country and in Canada. They say that the one in Canada is as big if not bigger than Saudi Arabia's. I love my Tundra and will not be selling it any time soon, it just hurts a bit more to own one when you are being anally raped by oil companies
"Oh no, gas is $3 a gallon, I'm going to have to trade in my truck" quote]
I agree with you whole heartedly and understand that a V8 isn't going to get amazing mileage. However, I will complain that gas is $3.00 a gallon whether I am getting 10 mpg or 40! Facts are, Exxon made more in 4th quarter PROFITS than Wal-Mart did in 4th quarter sales last year. That being said, I think gas should be regulated especially considering that there are untapped reserves all over this country and in Canada. They say that the one in Canada is as big if not bigger than Saudi Arabia's. I love my Tundra and will not be selling it any time soon, it just hurts a bit more to own one when you are being anally raped by oil companies
Ryan
So you fall in the group that believes that oil/gas isn't a freely traded commodity driven by market forces, and that the oil companies are out to get the consumer. Why should gas be less than $3/gallon? Hell I'd like to drive an Aston Martin, I can't believe they charge 200k for one, they should be 35K. That kind of reasoning is contrary to every capitalistic principal out there.
The high gas prices are driven by speculation, uncertainty with Iran, and a myriad of other market forces, not hyper profit motive from the oil companies. In the long term the higher prices are unproductive for the oil companies b/c it discourages consumption, and with <10% margin on the product, the money is made in volume.
Let's not forget that most if not all of our 401k/mutual fund investments/index funds include oil company stock, as their profits go up, so do your investments.
Anyway I don't want to get into a debate on why the price of gas is rising, it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.
Both of my Tundras have had better gas mileage than my 2003 S-10 ZR2. That beast had a 4.3 Vortec engine (V6) and the best I ever got was 17mpg on a drive cross country. my average was around 12-13 mpg. Read on ZR2.com and see the complaints about gas mileage there!
Oh she was a fun truck... I had to dump her cause the family kept getting bigger, and she stayed the same size...
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My biggest complaint is false fuel mileage claims by manufactures. The cars usually come close to the EPA ratings but not so much with trucks and suv's when they are tested the way they are on indoor chassis dyno's. It would be nice if they gave actual REAL world mileage figures. I am also getting tired of hearing people talk about driving habits, 2000 RPM yadda, yadda yadda. Trucks are trucks, they are ALL hard on gas, especially 4x4s, even the smaller 4x4s, Tacoma etc. are STILL hard on gas, slightly better than the larger trucks but not much. With my 05 Tundra 4x4 it does not make much of a difference whether I drive with a light foot like a little old lady and don't go over 2000 RPM or whether I drive more spirited like a teenager. It makes about a 1 MPG difference if that. It gets what it gets and thats it Also many people who boast of great mileage ALSO do not say whether their truck is a 2WD or 4WD when in effect they are actually driving a 2WD and you can't expect a 4x4 to match the mileage of a 2WD no matter how easy you drive it.
So you fall in the group that believes that oil/gas isn't a freely traded commodity driven by market forces, and that the oil companies are out to get the consumer. Why should gas be less than $3/gallon? Hell I'd like to drive an Aston Martin, I can't believe they charge 200k for one, they should be 35K. That kind of reasoning is contrary to every capitalistic principal out there.
The high gas prices are driven by speculation, uncertainty with Iran, and a myriad of other market forces, not hyper profit motive from the oil companies. In the long term the higher prices are unproductive for the oil companies b/c it discourages consumption, and with <10% margin on the product, the money is made in volume.
Let's not forget that most if not all of our 401k/mutual fund investments/index funds include oil company stock, as their profits go up, so do your investments.
Anyway I don't want to get into a debate on why the price of gas is rising, it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.
snoczp is right, "gotta pay to play"
I agree with you BUT let me play devils advocate. Do you or the US depend on that Aston Martin or are there plenty of other Much Cheaper options for you?? So that comes down to the very easy answer of "Use less Gas". OK thanks for the answer I'll do that right away. UH, HOW???
So My complaint is not about the mileage my Tundra gets avg 18 or about Gas being $3 But that we have no other options except for me to ride a bicycle the 150 mile commute I have per day. Or move to Irvine and buy a million dollar house which I can not afford or quit and live in the desert off of rabbits.
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im glad somebody brought up the point about hybrid's batteries costing so much. the fact is that right now a hybrid car wont save you anything in the long run, it might even cost you more with the replacement costs of batterys and initial cost.
my parents whine about gas prices so much every single day. i get sick and tired of it and hearing everyone else cry like babies. the demand for gas is so inelastic, expect to pay for it. yes i think that mobil/exxon and chevron are GOUGING the public, but what is anyone going to do about it? nothing. we have to drive, we want to drive, and we like to drive big inefficient cars. i dont care if gas is $4/gal i will still drive my V8 pickup and just cut some chipotle burritos out of my budget
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So you fall in the group that believes that oil/gas isn't a freely traded commodity driven by market forces, and that the oil companies are out to get the consumer. Why should gas be less than $3/gallon? Hell I'd like to drive an Aston Martin, I can't believe they charge 200k for one, they should be 35K. That kind of reasoning is contrary to every capitalistic principal out there.
The high gas prices are driven by speculation, uncertainty with Iran, and a myriad of other market forces, not hyper profit motive from the oil companies. In the long term the higher prices are unproductive for the oil companies b/c it discourages consumption, and with <10% margin on the product, the money is made in volume.
Let's not forget that most if not all of our 401k/mutual fund investments/index funds include oil company stock, as their profits go up, so do your investments.
Anyway I don't want to get into a debate on why the price of gas is rising, it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.
snoczp is right, "gotta pay to play"
Are you kidding me? You act as though gas is one of those things that just kinda happens to go up and down in price and that is ok because the companies are allowed to do so in a capitalistic society. Just as desrt racer said THERE ARE NO SUBTITUTES FOR GAS! I can ride my bike twenty miles one way to work but practically speaking, that is not an option. Lets looks at natural gas, electricity, etc that you pay for every month. These are like gas in the sense that they are needed by everyone. There are no close substitutes. If you think for one second that it costs the electric company twice as much one month to produce electricity than it does the previous, and then pass that price onto you, that is ok? Absolutely not! It aggravates me when people like you have a lax attitude about these multi-billion dollar corporations that continue to get richer off of price gouging. I can understand that gas fluctuates a bit and so be it. But to take a resource that everyone needs and triple it in price over the course of six years (back in 2000 gas was at 99 cents a gallon) and say it is their right to do so is absurd! I leave my argument as is and though I will continue to own my Tundra, I will likely be driving a motorcycle this summer because I refuse to give these companies anymore than what is necessary on my part
company can produce & sell 1 million units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
demand is 900,000 units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
100,000 units remain unsold per day. company choices are to lower price or cut production.
most companies will cut the price for the short run and keep production up.
company drops price to $1.90 per unit. sales go up to 950,000 units per day.
company drops price to $1.80 per unit. sales go up to 1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.80 per unit but the company is not selling the over production it now has in stock.
company drops price to $1.70 per unit. demand goes up to 1.1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.70 per unit. company sells it's production of 1 million units per day plus units in stock.
all units in stock are sold off.
company moves price back to $1.80 per unit. sales drop back to 1 million units per day.
demand increases to 1.1 million units per day. company can only produce 1 million units per day.
company moves price to $1.90 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.00 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.20 per unit. demand increases to 1.2 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.30 per unit. demand drops to 1.1 million units per day.
company keeps price at $2.30 per unit. demand remains the same.
company drops price to $2.35 per unit. demand drops to 1 million units per day.
buyers get mad because of the high prices and cuts demand to 700,000 units per day
company drops price but demand does not increase.
company drops price and production but demand does increase because the buyers are still mad.
company drops price below cost and demand still does not increase.
company goes out of business.
buyers get mad at the government because they have a constitutional right, human right, american right,
god given right, and one of the bill of rights to all of the units they can use at a cheap price.
buyers sue government to force them to force the company back into business and sell price below cost.
government caves in and gives tax money to company so they can stay in business and sell below cost.
buyer now buys units for $1.70 per unit. government gives company tax money of $0.30 per unit.
buyer still thinks they are paying $1.70 per unit.
government goes broken. company goes out of business.
buyers are now mad because there are units for sale at $4.00 per unit from china.
Are you kidding me? You act as though gas is one of those things that just kinda happens to go up and down in price and that is ok because the companies are allowed to do so in a capitalistic society. Just as desrt racer said THERE ARE NO SUBTITUTES FOR GAS! I can ride my bike twenty miles one way to work but practically speaking, that is not an option. Lets looks at natural gas, electricity, etc that you pay for every month. These are like gas in the sense that they are needed by everyone. There are no close substitutes. If you think for one second that it costs the electric company twice as much one month to produce electricity than it does the previous, and then pass that price onto you, that is ok? Absolutely not! It aggravates me when people like you have a lax attitude about these multi-billion dollar corporations that continue to get richer off of price gouging. I can understand that gas fluctuates a bit and so be it. But to take a resource that everyone needs and triple it in price over the course of six years (back in 2000 gas was at 99 cents a gallon) and say it is their right to do so is absurd! I leave my argument as is and though I will continue to own my Tundra, I will likely be driving a motorcycle this summer because I refuse to give these companies anymore than what is necessary on my part
Ryan
Define "price gouging" - is it the point where you feel you are paying too much? Or is it a certain margin on a product?
You say "But to take a resource that everyone needs and triple it in price over the course of six years (back in 2000 gas was at 99 cents a gallon) and say it is their right to do so is absurd!"
The only thing that is absurd is thinking that a company can produce a product, then not be allowed to sell it for whatever they want. Granted there has been consolidation in the oil industry, but it's not a monopoly, if one manufacturer was truly gouging prices, then another would drop their price to pick up the business. Haven't you ever seen stations across the street from one another get into price wars where one will be 2 cents cheaper then the competitor will drop their price? That's the beauty of our system. Where it gets all jacked up is when folks feel entitled to a certain price on a resource, bitch and moan to their representative then the government gets involved, and makes the situation worse.
This has been building for years, a combination of restricting new exploration, (I'm sure all of the nothing in ANWAR is happy we didn't drill there, I know I've enjoyed ANWAR's nothingness from Texas, glad we saved it), Environmental regs, preventing new refining facilities being constructed, and Not in my backyard but I'll by god complain about high gas prices hippies. These same people won't allow power plants to be built, but bitch about power getting more expensive while they turn up the AC and watch a DVD on their new lcd tv.
You're right, there are no substitutes for gas, but there are for transportation. Your motorcycle is one example, MARTA, bicycle, Bus, carpool etc. are out there. Does it suck to take the bus, yeah, but it can be done. Practically speaking, the bike might not be an option, but if gas were $30/gallon, there would be a hell of a lot of bikes on the road. Right now for people, $3 is worth complaining about, but not really changing habits.
Well it's Beer o'clock for me, now if beer went to $30 a 6pack, I'd be ranting against the Anheuser busch family just like some are against the oil companies
company can produce & sell 1 million units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
demand is 900,000 units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
100,000 units remain unsold per day. company choices are to lower price or cut production.
most companies will cut the price for the short run and keep production up.
company drops price to $1.90 per unit. sales go up to 950,000 units per day.
company drops price to $1.80 per unit. sales go up to 1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.80 per unit but the company is not selling the over production it now has in stock.
company drops price to $1.70 per unit. demand goes up to 1.1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.70 per unit. company sells it's production of 1 million units per day plus units in stock.
all units in stock are sold off.
company moves price back to $1.80 per unit. sales drop back to 1 million units per day.
demand increases to 1.1 million units per day. company can only produce 1 million units per day.
company moves price to $1.90 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.00 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.20 per unit. demand increases to 1.2 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.30 per unit. demand drops to 1.1 million units per day.
company keeps price at $2.30 per unit. demand remains the same.
company drops price to $2.35 per unit. demand drops to 1 million units per day.
buyers get mad because of the high prices and cuts demand to 700,000 units per day
company drops price but demand does not increase.
company drops price and production but demand does increase because the buyers are still mad.
company drops price below cost and demand still does not increase.
company goes out of business.
buyers get mad at the government because they have a constitutional right, human right, american right,
god given right, and one of the bill of rights to all of the units they can use at a cheap price.
buyers sue government to force them to force the company back into business and sell price below cost.
government caves in and gives tax money to company so they can stay in business and sell below cost.
buyer now buys units for $1.70 per unit. government gives company tax money of $0.30 per unit.
buyer still thinks they are paying $1.70 per unit.
government goes broken. company goes out of business.
buyers are now mad because there are units for sale at $4.00 per unit from china.
Dude, you can type A LOT!
It doesn't take gov't meddling to force the companies not to screw us all, it simply requires them to enforce the law. Gas stations charge $5/gallon after Katrina hit and the government goes after them for price gouging. That's peanuts compared to what the big guys are doing.
One look only at the recent SDRAM price fixing. Several large companies, including Samsung, were fined heavily. Some as much as $300 million. Same thing needs to be done here.
One need simply look at the profit margins. The oil companies wouldn't be making such ridiculous profits if all they were doing was simply passing on the increase in crude oil prices. Strict supply and demand does NOT apply here. As said before, there is no REAL alternative to gas at this time.
Here a train of thought for you.
My 401k fund contains 1% Mobil/Exxon, that 1% alone is making me $500 a year thanks to their record profits and dividends. Price of rising gas costs me an extra $2k a year........ And I still think I'm earning $500 in my 401k.
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company can produce & sell 1 million units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
demand is 900,000 units per day @ $2.00 per unit.
100,000 units remain unsold per day. company choices are to lower price or cut production.
most companies will cut the price for the short run and keep production up.
company drops price to $1.90 per unit. sales go up to 950,000 units per day.
company drops price to $1.80 per unit. sales go up to 1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.80 per unit but the company is not selling the over production it now has in stock.
company drops price to $1.70 per unit. demand goes up to 1.1 million units per day.
price stays at $1.70 per unit. company sells it's production of 1 million units per day plus units in stock.
all units in stock are sold off.
company moves price back to $1.80 per unit. sales drop back to 1 million units per day.
demand increases to 1.1 million units per day. company can only produce 1 million units per day.
company moves price to $1.90 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.00 per unit. demand remains at 1.1 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.20 per unit. demand increases to 1.2 million units per day.
company moves price to $2.30 per unit. demand drops to 1.1 million units per day.
company keeps price at $2.30 per unit. demand remains the same.
company drops price to $2.35 per unit. demand drops to 1 million units per day.
buyers get mad because of the high prices and cuts demand to 700,000 units per day
company drops price but demand does not increase.
company drops price and production but demand does increase because the buyers are still mad.
company drops price below cost and demand still does not increase.
company goes out of business.
buyers get mad at the government because they have a constitutional right, human right, american right,
god given right, and one of the bill of rights to all of the units they can use at a cheap price.
buyers sue government to force them to force the company back into business and sell price below cost.
government caves in and gives tax money to company so they can stay in business and sell below cost.
buyer now buys units for $1.70 per unit. government gives company tax money of $0.30 per unit.
buyer still thinks they are paying $1.70 per unit.
government goes broken. company goes out of business.
buyers are now mad because there are units for sale at $4.00 per unit from china.
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I've also considered a motorcycle as I used to own one and still have the license but here they want $1500.00 "as much as my Tundra" for bike insurance. You would think they would encourage the use of smaller fuel efficient vehicles like motorcycles but every year they keep gouging the bike riders for higher premiums. The amount of motorcycles on the road here has been greatly reduced over the last few years due to high insurance rates.
Re: Wait, my Tundra doesn't get 40mpg???
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The cars usually come close to the EPA ratings but not so much with trucks and suv's when they are tested the way they are on indoor chassis dyno's. 
Trucks are trucks, they are ALL hard on gas, especially 4x4s, even the smaller 4x4s, Tacoma etc. are STILL hard on gas, slightly better than the larger trucks but not much. With my 05 Tundra 4x4 it does not make much of a difference whether I drive with a light foot like a little old lady and don't go over 2000 RPM or whether I drive more spirited like a teenager. It makes about a 1 MPG difference if that. It gets what it gets and thats it
But that we have no other options except for me to ride a bicycle the 150 mile commute I have per day. Or move to Irvine and buy a million dollar house which I can not afford or quit and live in the desert off of rabbits.
'05 Tundra DC TRD 2 WHL: The TOW truck, Spectra Mica Blue, with Kenwood H/U, Kenwood Amp and crossover. Infinity 6010cs, 10" Rockford SUB, 6 disc CD Changer mounted in Center console, SWI-X to retain steering wheel controls, 7" TV with DVD. Tinted Windows, Three chamber Flowmaster, Painted front chrome strip 
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