I have read alot about this the past couple of months. Seems to have alot of potential. Not sure what the long term effects would be if any. If anyone has tried this or has feedback or knowledge I would be very interested.
well, it's a good idea...and i'm sure it works...the scientific principles are quite sound. it's easy to split the h and the o, and would be interesting to try...first of course on a car i had the luxury of modifying/risking to that degree.
i'm also quite certain that the guys posting the content on that site have collectively solved the world's fertilizer problems.
at least there's nothing wrong with their hydrolytic equipment.
if you try it, i wouldn't mention to them that you drive a truck .
I recall it took alot of electrity to make a little hydrogen.
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I have read alot about this the past couple of months. Seems to have alot of potential. Not sure what the long term effects would be if any. If anyone has tried this or has feedback or knowledge I would be very interested.
Do you know what episode or what else was on with it I would be very interested in watching it.
Hey T-Nick, I looked it up, and it appears to be Episode #53. They downloaded the plans off the internet, built it and installed it in an old Oldsmobile.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that if these guys can't build it and make it work, the average Joe without their resources probably isn't going to have any more luck with it.
When you burn hydrogen + oxygen it releases energy and makes water, then you can put energy back into the water to get hydrogen and oxygen again.
Only problem with this is beacuse putting energy back into the water is 100% effiencent. So it actuallly takes more energy to make hydrogen than will be release when you burn it in the engine.
Also internal combustion engines are very poor at converting the energy from the burning fuel to mechanicla motion. There only about 1/3 efficient, beacuse about 1/3 goes out the exhaust as heat, and 1/3 of the energy goes to the radiator.
So if you make this, and get the electricity from the vehicles alternator, I estimate that you can maybe get 20% of that alternator energy back as mechanical motion.
If this thing worked then the mystery of Fusion would be solved (to a have a process that outputs more energy than is inputed).
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Low c1500 hit the nail on the head, I think. There's no free lunch. Believe it or not, when you put a load on an alternator, the altenator puts up resistance. In other words, the altenator requires a certain amount of HP to put out the 20 to 30 amps needed to break apart the H20.
Someone chime in here, but I think there is a big difference between using liquid hydrogen (e.g. fuel cell cars) as fuel and just injecting gasious hydrogen into the intake track.
the same goes for women. i wish i could get more output with less input
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what are the negative effects or things that could go wrong? I know that it draws more energy than it puts out, but can it blow up or anything?
from reading over their website, it appears that a major downside is conspiracy theorism and emotional politicking . also, it did seem odd when considering it does take a lot of energy to convert water to gas, how do you create that energy? seems like you'd be plugging in your car, or using some other type of energy to fuel the process. i guess either dreams and rainbows, or perhaps a solar cell.
hydrogen requires an oxidizer, then it goes big. oxygen goes even bigger. maybe a better question would be how do they compare to propane, which is pretty common on public transportation vehicles and small industrial machines.
lmao!from reading over their website, it appears that a major downside is conspiracy theorism and emotional politicking . also, it did seem odd when considering it does take a lot of energy to convert water to gas, how do you create that energy? seems like you'd be plugging in your car, or using some other type of energy to fuel the process. i guess either dreams and rainbows, or perhaps a solar cell.
hydrogen requires an oxidizer, then it goes big. oxygen goes even bigger. maybe a better question would be how do they compare to propane, which is pretty common on public transportation vehicles and small industrial machines.
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It seems there are more questions than answers in this forum. There is no conspiracy theory crap on my website. BUT People willing to bet lock, stock, and barrel on what some jackasses put on their TV show. Hold ON!!! I seen that episode, and they are scientific idiots. I also seen the one where they tested a dummy on a crapper full of gasoline. Nowhere do they test their IQ or the show's producer's IQ. I'm sure it wouldn't be a long show if they did. Lets get scientific and stop jerkin my chain.
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Read the Blog, and don't revolve your life around what you see on TV.
I just put up a blog from an artical from 1974 (I'm 32 also) and the UCLA guys had a car and so did Bringham Young. In my case, nothing is worth more than running everything on water(house, car, boat, plane), and if you're not willing to sell me the product, I'll make it myself... you want to buy one? Because gas is going up and it will run out, and we are fighting a war over it, people are dying for your freedom to buy cheap gas. If you want to talk Toyota, that's fine, but I check all the websites that send me hits and keep the sheep in line. Don't make me come back. And if you're too scared to test out something before you put your scientific, TV rated, sticker of approval on it, just say so. Think of the bennitfits and not the road blocks. Just like women...
And if you're not getting more out of your woman then maybe you should trade her in for a newer, import design with bigger wheels, smaller/more powerfull engine, and a quiet ride...lol
It seems there are more questions than answers in this forum. There is no conspiracy theory crap on my website. BUT People willing to bet lock, stock, and barrel on what some jackasses put on their TV show. Hold ON!!! I seen that episode, and they are scientific idiots. I also seen the one where they tested a dummy on a crapper full of gasoline. Nowhere do they test their IQ or the show's producer's IQ. I'm sure it wouldn't be a long show if they did. Lets get scientific and stop jerkin my chain.
IF YOU READ!!!! READ would be the important part in that last sentence. Read our website. WWW.WaterforFuel.Com
Read the Blog, and don't revolve your life around what you see on TV.
I just put up a blog from an artical from 1974 (I'm 32 also) and the UCLA guys had a car and so did Bringham Young. In my case, nothing is worth more than running everything on water(house, car, boat, plane), and if you're not willing to sell me the product, I'll make it myself... you want to buy one? Because gas is going up and it will run out, and we are fighting a war over it, people are dying for your freedom to buy cheap gas. If you want to talk Toyota, that's fine, but I check all the websites that send me hits and keep the sheep in line. Don't make me come back. And if you're too scared to test out something before you put your scientific, TV rated, sticker of approval on it, just say so. Think of the bennitfits and not the road blocks. Just like women...
And if you're not getting more out of your woman then maybe you should trade her in for a newer, import design with bigger wheels, smaller/more powerfull engine, and a quiet ride...lol
First off, I have read very little on your website, and I'm all for Hydrogen powered vehicals (mainly the hydrogen fuel cell). Also I'm an Industrial Instrument Technologist, with a Journyman Instrument Technicain ticket. I am very familair with thermo-dynamics. The idea that hydrogen can be added to the intake of engine will indeed increase its power output and mpg. But the idea that an engine alternator can provide the energy to turn H2O back into seperate molicules, and then burn the new hydrogen for increased mpg is IMPOSSIBLE!! There is just way too much energy loss do to friction and heat loss. I will state just a few energy losses in the system: alternator is never 100% efficient in turing mech energy into electrity, the actual "cracking of the H2O" can never be 100% efficient (if it was then FUSION has been finally solved!!), also the biggest enery loss of all is the actual engine, it is able only to convert about 35% of the energy in the burnt fuel to mechanical motion.
If a "cracker" was ran by a engine alternator then for every 10 parts of mechanical energy put into the alternator, I would say that only 1 or 2 parts would be recoverd when the engine actually burns the new hydrogen and turns it back into mechanical energy. About a 500% LOSS!
Now if your "testers" are using a battery bank and not the alternator, I could see the vehcile getting increase MPG, but only until the batterys went dead, then when they were recharged your putting in 5X more energy in, then the actual burnt Hydrogen put out from the "cracker".
Read up on the Hydrogen fuel cell, they take clean burning Hydrogen, put it through the Hydrogen cell, and get electricty out, and it has very few energy losses. It works great, only problem it that you need the Hydrogen to begin with. Using large scale industrial "cracking" devices hydrogen can be produced form water, again with very little energy loss.
These are just my college educated (chemistry, thermo/fluid-dynamics, calculus etc..) thoughts. Your crazy claims of 2x MPG from usoing this stuff is ridiculas.
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I would love to see something other than fossil fuels. But with the oil companies so far up all of the politician's a$$es, you will never see it until it all collapses. Either that, or global warming will become too much of a problem to deny. But remember, "we're study'in it". I'm no tree hugger, but I do believe there is a problem. Yes I drive a truck so I'm a hypocrite ! But this whole oil + politics thing just pi$$es me off ! Remember all of those GM electric cars ? They took them all away because they actually worked.
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Anyone daring enough to try this!
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. also, it did seem odd when considering it does take a lot of energy to convert water to gas, how do you create that energy? seems like you'd be plugging in your car, or using some other type of energy to fuel the process. i guess either dreams and rainbows, or perhaps a solar cell.
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