1st Oil Change on New Tundra - Service Rep's Claim??
As some of you may or may not know, I just bought an '06 Tundra D-Cab 4x4 X-SP last week, and the service rep told me that my truck came with "break-in" oil that is designed for a new engine and should not be changed for 4k miles (he also told me it was a special synthetic blend). I believe the break-in oil does not contain detergents therefore really does its job at coating seals, rings, etc....so, was this guy telling the truth or should I change out my oil now (have 1k miles on it) and go right to Mobil 1 Synthetic/Mobil 1 filter? Or do I change with organic oil at 1k and switch to synthetic at 5k??
I know alot of you guys are doing changes at 1k miles, but the service guy insisted I need not do this...any advice?
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Originally Posted by SportRallyFiveSpeed
As some of you may or may not know, I just bought an '06 Tundra D-Cab 4x4 X-SP last week, and the service rep told me that my truck came with "break-in" oil that is designed for a new engine and should not be changed for 4k miles (he also told me it was a special synthetic blend). I believe the break-in oil does not contain detergents therefore really does its job at coating seals, rings, etc....so, was this guy telling the truth or should I change out my oil now (have 1k miles on it) and go right to Mobil 1 Synthetic/Mobil 1 filter? Or do I change with organic oil at 1k and switch to synthetic at 5k??
I know alot of you guys are doing changes at 1k miles, but the service guy insisted I need not do this...any advice?
as with any engine synthetic is horrible to break in a motor on... synthetic does not allow the rings to seat properly... with that said... toyota would have never put in synthetic not only because of issues with break-in... but because of cost... the extra 5 dollars per car for synthetic means an extra 250,000 dollars per 50,000 vehicles... so needless to say your customer service writer is full of it..
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I was told specificly by my service writer and salesman that it does not have special break-in oil and to change it at 1K. I do not completely trust either of them.
I had my oil changed at the dealer at 1K as part of a safety inspection, they also discounted it to $19.95, otherwise I would have done it myself.
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Originally Posted by SportRallyFiveSpeed
Ok, even if its not synthetic, do you guys believe its a break-in oil that was put in the truck?
So would a good plan be:
1st change @ 1k with organic oil
2nd change @ 5k with organic oil
3rd change @ 9k with full synthetic?
A simple way to find out is to ask for sustantiation in writing. If this guy is on the up and up he will have documentation to back up his claim.
I have taken the position when dealing with the car dealers (salesmen especially) is to not make any claim that cannot be backed up by documents.
BTW, the often stated worry concerning not using synthetic lubricants in new cars is bogus. There are dozens of new cars that come from the factory with synthetics right from the start (including Corvettes).
From the Mobil 1 site:
Myth: You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic oil like Mobil 1. Reality:
You can start using Mobil 1® in new vehicles at any time, even in brand new vehicles. In fact, Mobil 1 is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in:
Acura RDX
Aston Martin
Bentley Amage and Bentley GT
Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V
Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
Chevrolet SSR
Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
Chrysler 300C SRT-8 and Crossfire SRT-6
Cobalt SS
Dodge Ram SRT-10
Dodge Charger SRT-8, Magnum, and Viper
Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi EVO III
Pontiac GTO
All Porsche vehicles
Saturn Red Line
Viper SRT-10
One of the myths surrounding synthetic oils is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. The fact is, current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As indicated by the decisions of the engineers who design the high-performance cars listed above, Mobil 1 can be used starting the day you drive the car off the showroom floor.
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Originally Posted by Bergmen
A simple way to find out is to ask for sustantiation in writing. If this guy is on the up and up he will have documentation to back up his claim.
I have taken the position when dealing with the car dealers (salesmen especially) is to not make any claim that cannot be backed up by documents.
BTW, the often stated worry concerning not using synthetic lubricants in new cars is bogus. There are dozens of new cars that come from the factory with synthetics right from the start (including Corvettes).
From the Mobil 1 site:
Myth: You should break in your engine with conventional oil, then switch to a synthetic oil like Mobil 1. Reality:
You can start using Mobil 1® in new vehicles at any time, even in brand new vehicles. In fact, Mobil 1 is original equipment (it is installed at the factory) in:
Acura RDX
Aston Martin
Bentley Amage and Bentley GT
Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V
Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
Chevrolet SSR
Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
Chrysler 300C SRT-8 and Crossfire SRT-6
Cobalt SS
Dodge Ram SRT-10
Dodge Charger SRT-8, Magnum, and Viper
Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi EVO III
Pontiac GTO
All Porsche vehicles
Saturn Red Line
Viper SRT-10
One of the myths surrounding synthetic oils is that new engines require a break-in period with conventional oil. The fact is, current engine manufacturing technology does not require this break-in period. As indicated by the decisions of the engineers who design the high-performance cars listed above, Mobil 1 can be used starting the day you drive the car off the showroom floor.
JMHO
Dan
Exactly right. There is absolutely no harm done in changing to synthetic the minute you get the truck home. Nothing "horrible" about it. How can dispute it when you read the above on how many vehicles it comes stock in? And the tundras to have the Lexus engines in them.
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Alright, I am waiting until 1500 miles, then switching to Mobil 1 with a Mobil 1 Filter. Maybe for the heck of it, I'll call another Toyota service rep and get his opinion on it. If his answer is different, then I'll certainly know not to trust any of them. I have a feeling it will be different.
It just amazes me that the guys being paid to do a specific job like a service rep, know even less than we do - and I'm sure 99% of us on this board are NOT Toyota employees.
Now on to deciding if I want to remove the skid plate for the oil change or create an access hole!! Good thread if nobody's read it!
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I never trust a service writer. They really don't know jack.. They DO know what sells and what buttons to push as far as the fear factor.
As far as you changing you oil at 1000 miles. Its a waste of perfectly good oil.
Worried about the dirt that got in there during manufacturing processes?
Thats what you have a filter for. And if you think its too much stuff to filter, then you have no trust in Toyota.
Many of my friends, do oil changes at 5K intervals using regular motor oil.
Yes the brand and type of oil is important, but the filter is what truly makes the difference. I do not believe there is a standard that filters must pass like the SAE sets up for oil. Choose your filter wisely!
And don't waste oi. Change it at the reccommended intervals and use a quality filter.
If given Toyota's recent problems with dumb asses not changing their oil and then blaming Toyota for the sludge build up doesn't scare Toyota into reccommending shorter intervals, then neither should you.
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I purchased new and still own a 1996 Corvette convertible that came from the factory with Mobile 1. If technology allowed that to happen 10 years ago it can certainly be true today.
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Originally Posted by jlift
Exactly right. There is absolutely no harm done in changing to synthetic the minute you get the truck home. Nothing "horrible" about it. How can dispute it when you read the above on how many vehicles it comes stock in? And the tundras to have the Lexus engines in them.
and how many of those cars have reliability issues?
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Originally Posted by peterdaniel
I never trust a service writer. They really don't know jack.. They DO know what sells and what buttons to push as far as the fear factor.
As far as you changing you oil at 1000 miles. Its a waste of perfectly good oil.
Worried about the dirt that got in there during manufacturing processes?
Thats what you have a filter for. And if you think its too much stuff to filter, then you have no trust in Toyota.
Many of my friends, do oil changes at 5K intervals using regular motor oil.
Yes the brand and type of oil is important, but the filter is what truly makes the difference. I do not believe there is a standard that filters must pass like the SAE sets up for oil. Choose your filter wisely!
And don't waste oi. Change it at the reccommended intervals and use a quality filter.
If given Toyota's recent problems with dumb asses not changing their oil and then blaming Toyota for the sludge build up doesn't scare Toyota into reccommending shorter intervals, then neither should you.
Actually, oil filters are generally subjected to rather stringent testing (although it is not mandatory, most major brands do test their filters). The SAE has a test for lubrication filters called HS806. ISO and NFPA also have tests. Take a look at the folowing link and scroll down to the bottom of the page where there is a comprehensive description of the tests that are performed:
Re: 1st Oil Change on New Tundra - Service Rep's Claim??
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Originally Posted by peterdaniel
I never trust a service writer. They really don't know jack.. They DO know what sells and what buttons to push as far as the fear factor.
As far as you changing you oil at 1000 miles. Its a waste of perfectly good oil.
Worried about the dirt that got in there during manufacturing processes?
Thats what you have a filter for. And if you think its too much stuff to filter, then you have no trust in Toyota.
Many of my friends, do oil changes at 5K intervals using regular motor oil.
Yes the brand and type of oil is important, but the filter is what truly makes the difference. I do not believe there is a standard that filters must pass like the SAE sets up for oil. Choose your filter wisely!
And don't waste oi. Change it at the reccommended intervals and use a quality filter.
If given Toyota's recent problems with dumb asses not changing their oil and then blaming Toyota for the sludge build up doesn't scare Toyota into reccommending shorter intervals, then neither should you.
look... you have an oil filter for a reason ... but during break-in there are alot of contaminants... you change the oil and filter because after the filter is full the oil just bypasses most filters... you NEED to change your oil at 500 or 1000 miles at least... it doesnt matter on whether or not you have faith in toyota or not... no matter how anyone builds an engine you will still have metal shavings that can clog the filter and eventually bypass it
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Originally Posted by AZNTundra
look... you have an oil filter for a reason ... but during break-in there are alot of contaminants... you change the oil and filter because after the filter is full the oil just bypasses most filters... you NEED to change your oil at 500 or 1000 miles at least... it doesnt matter on whether or not you have faith in toyota or not... no matter how anyone builds an engine you will still have metal shavings that can clog the filter and eventually bypass it
Wrong! Why do we try to outsmart something so simple?
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If the factory filters were being clogged by all the metal shavings in the motor in the first oil change interval, don't you think the manufacturers would know this and have you change it sooner? Or don't you think you would notice a change in oil pressure when the by-pass went off?
The oil is not full of shavings, that is bull.
Honda DOES use a special break in oil and it specifically says in the manual NOT to change it until the regular change interval.
I changed mine on the Tundra at 2,000 and 6,000 miles with Castrol and am going to 5000 mile oil changes with Mobil 1 and Toyota filters thereafter. The oil was sparkling clean coming out at 2000 miles, I hardly think it was carrying around a bunch of crud and shavings.
I would have used Mobil 1 at the first change but I bought the "don't use synthetic until the engine is broken in hype". Now I know better.
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