[vermacelli]

To balance it though I dont think that a vehicle should be sold at invoice.[/quote]

What's wrong with selling a vehicle at invoice? I bought a VW a couple of years ago for $2500 below listed invoice w/out any rebates. I don't think that's wrong considering its been sitting on the lot for a while, they need to make room for the new models, and they will easily make up the loss by selling newer models at MSRP.