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Old 01-26-2006, 01:04 PM
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Default Re: Alignment problem

I have to agree with (MOREPOWER) on this one.

The VERY first thing you need to do is... NOT... carry your truck back to the same alignment shop!!! If they've gotta' keep it all day... then... they're just guessing!!! PERIOD!!

Here's the thing...
According to DJ... and I trust him btw ... Tundras are a horse of a different color, when it comes to alignment. To start... they use dual cams on the control arms to set camber and caster, and according to what DJ has said... this can make for a NIGHTMARE, when trying to get a "correct" alignment. And it can be... pretty much... next to impossible, without using the "best" alignment equipment, which means using the Hunter alignment machine. Since you didn't mention "what" type of equipment or alignment machine the shop used in aligning your truck... this would be the first place I'd start. If they DIDN'T use the Hunter alignment machine, unfortunately, you may never get it right, by continuing to take your truck back to this particular shop. Believe me... I've been there!

The KEY to the Hunter alignment machine's magic... as told to me by DJ... is it's software pkg. It uses a software program known as CAMM, which is "designed" to handle dual cams. If a tech KNOWS... I repeat... KNOWS... how to use this software, he can make the job of getting a Tundra... or ANY vehicle with dual cams... aligned VERY easy. As a matter of fact, DJ once told me...
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Originally Posted by DJ
If the alignment tech ever used the CAMM feature to align a Tundra, or to align any vehicle which uses dual cams on the control arms to set camber and caster, he would NEVER try to align one without using it. It is difficult to align this kind of suspension, which has two cams for one wheel each changing both camber and caster, and this can make it quite difficult to get both camber and caster correct. The CAMM software, makes it quite easy.
Since your truck "is" pulling to the left... it's possible that the alignment tech set camber at the expense of caster. If caster is higher on the right than on the left, it will tend to make the vehicle pull to the left. However, without actually "seeing" the alignment numbers, I'm just guessing here, so keep that in mind. Unfortunately, it ain't gonna' get no better, unless he uses the CAMM software.

I don't know how "much" lift you achived from the Revteck kit, but I suspect it was at least 2.5". I used the Wheeler's coils to lift my DC a minimal 2", just so I could go one tire size larger (i.e. 265/75/16) like you're planning to do. I had done quite a bit of research here at TS.com and picked many a brain (including DJ's), before I carried my truck in for the re-alignment.

I actually chose a shop, which I'd used exclusively, for more than a few years now. I took several print-outs from different threads here at TS.com; not to mention DJ's specs, to SHOW the alignment tech, EXACTLY what I was after. He "said" he knew of the Tundra's alignment issues and I had to believe the guy, since one of his co-workers had a Tundra. I did ask this alignment tech... IF... he knew how to use the CAMM software, and the replay I got was... "Yeah, I know about it, but I've never used it". Hind sight being what it is... I shoud have cut-n-run, right then-n-there, but unfortunately for me... I didn't!

I gave the guy a chance... and of course... as suspected... he got it wrong!!! After showing the print-out numbers of the alignment to DJ, it was obvious, the tech had basically done the exact same thing to my DC, as was done to your truck. He set camber at the expense of caster, and without using the CAMM software... he certainly wasn't EVER going to get it right! Knowing that, I had to accept the fact, that I was about to learn a painfully EXPENSIVE lesson!

After talking with DJ... through several PM's... it became painfully obvious, that there was little need to return to this alignment shop and complain, because, the tech was never going to get it right WITHOUT using the "proper" software to handle the job. Thus, I had now pissed away $45 and was faced with the task, of finding a shop who could do it right. Not to mention having to accept the fact, I was going to have to part with yet another $40+!

That too... turned out to be a real PITA. Not a single shop, which I called in my local area, "knew" how to use the CAMM software! Not a one! I ultimately turned to the internet and went to Hunter's website, to get the phone number for a local rep, who could hopefully steer me in the right direction. Unfortunately, he was of no help either, as I was told, many of the "techs" in my area had been trained the "old fashion way" and they wouldn't use the CAMM software! What REALLY surprised me about this was... this Hunter rep actually DEFENDED this practice! WTF?!

Anyway, after MANY more phone calls... even one to a local Toyota dealer... who said their Hunter alignment machine was so old, it didn't even use the CAMM software ... I finally found one shop about 18 miles from the house... in another city... who actually said, they knew how to use the CAMM software. Long-story-short... they got right on the first try! Although now, my total alignment cost was over $90! Like I said... a painfully expensive lesson to have to learn!

So, my advice would be...
1st) make sure the shop you're using, has a VERY up-to-date Hunter alignment machine.
2nd) if they do... the VERY next question you should ask is... DO THEY KNOW HOW TO "USE" THE CAMM SOFTWARE.

Hope this helps...
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