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Originally Posted by slice
This is your opinion, not fact. There is without a doubt a trend on this forum to bash anything American. Just because it's not Toyota or it's not made in Japan doesn't mean it is total crap. You are contradicting yourself by claiming that Toyota designs their product for the long haul, yet they decide to use cheap, poorly made US parts to build their products? It can't be both ways. According to you, Toyota starts with a brilliant idea, uses crap to build it, and ends up with the best vehicle on the road. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
Furthermore, how did you come to your conclusion that domestic manufacturers don't design their products to last long? Where are all these Tundras and Tacomas with 300k-500k miles? They have been out plenty long enough but I have not seen any. I'm sure there are some out there, but they are the exception, not the norm.
If you want to see the real high mileage vehicles that are used for severe duty, look no further than the domestic 3/4 and 1 ton offerings. There is a lady in my neighborhood that has an 04 Dodge diesel that she uses to haul horses from KY to NY and FL for a living. It has 456k miles on it and just recently had to have the head gasket replaced. I seriously doubt there will be many Tundras used in such a fashion that will see those kind of miles without some major issues along the way.
Not to bring up the Toyota vs. Domestics again but there is so much BS that flies around here from people who have no clue what they are talking about sometimes so someone needs to inject some reality. The Tundra is an awesome truck, but it's not going to rack up half a million miles with ease. If it's made by man, it will have flaws, even if the men that make it are Japanese.
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Let's be reasonable. There is no denying that Toyota has had a superior reputation for quality compared to domestics. Does that mean that Toyota's don't break? No. Does that mean that the new Toyota's won't have problems? No. But it chaps domestic owners knowing that Ford, Chevy or Dodge hasn't built vehicles as well as Toyota, whether they will admit it or not. The numbers bear this out.
If you want to talk about the durability and reliability of domestics compared to Toyota then come talk to me. I can tell you that my last Toyota was far superior to the domestic I owned previous to it. That's just one case, but my odomoter was not far from the numbers you said you wanted to see. I now have a new Tundra. Maybe it will be a great truck. Maybe not. Time will tell. If I do have a problem, I'll say so in this forum.
I think the point made earlier is that the new Tundra wasn't just a new vehicle for Toyota, but an entirely new manufacturing model, using U.S. parts on a scale never seen before, and in newly-built U.S. assembly plants. That again cannot be disputed. It's not that anyone wants to bash anything American. In fact, I have seen Toyota owners on this forum proudly hailing the fact that the new Tundra is as much an American truck as the next one.