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Thanks for the link. I thought I'd give you some proof of my research like you asked for in your last post.
Here's a few of the first things I came across:
This is from Popular Mechanics online ( Auto Clinic: Acetone Increases MPG?, Where Is My Minivan's Cabin Air Filter?, Throttle Body Spacers Increase MPG?, 2-Cycle Engines and Alcohol-Based Gas, Plymouth Voyager Mystery, Ford Focus Air Filter - Popular Mechanics)
< August 20, 2006
Auto Clinic: Acetone Increases MPG?, Where Is My Minivan's Cabin Air Filter?, Throttle Body Spacers Increase MPG?, 2-Cycle Engines and Alcohol-Based Gas, Plymouth Voyager Mystery, Ford Focus Air Filter Senior Editor Mike Allen answers readers' car questions.
Q: I have a 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Is it true that I can increase my gas mileage by adding 4-5 oz. of acetone per 16 gallons of gas?
If so, are there any risks of damage to the engine?
KEVIN
A: No, it's not true. Yes, you can damage the engine. |
This link has absolutely no useful information. There is no scientific evidence. As a matter of fact...there is absolutely NO research whatsoever. Just a snide ill informed remark. It reminded me of your first post toward me on the subject.
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Check this out, it is from the GM service manual and has a link to a site for treatments that have been tested by the gov.
WHAT NOT TO DO: Engine and Fuel Additives, Alternate Fuels, and "Miracle" Products
Various unproven products to improve vehicle fuel economy have been reported ranging from magnets that align molecules to chemical combustion improvers.
Most products claiming to provide benefits are based on unsubstantiated claims. Those that do present "scientific" results generally either have too little supporting data to be conclusive, have not conducted experiments in a controlled fashion, or cannot be substantiated by anyone else but the product's manufacturer.
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Acetone isn't one of the various unproven products. It has been proven in several CONTROLLED SCIENTIFIC tests. And since Acetone CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED by thousands of sources...I would believe that these two paragraph's are non-applicable and should have been left out of your reply.
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The U.S. Federal Trade Commission summarizes results for products tested by the federal government at FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection. A review of the list shows that the majority did not work, and for those that showed some effect, the benefit was too small to be cost effective.
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FTC link you provided was pointless. Did you know that if you actually goto the FTC webpage you linked to...press CTRL+F while viewing the page...and search for "Acetone" in the Find box that pops up...you will find NOTHING. Why...because this page DOES NOT PERTAIN TO ACETONE. No evidence to support you whatsoever.
"majority did not work" and "benefit was too small to be cost effective". Acetone is not part of the "majority" mentioned...as a matter of fact...it's not even mentioned in the case study that this article refers to...so...once again you have provided nothing to argue your case. By the way...if you don't think that a few pennies spent on Acetone to save several gallons of gasoline at $3.00 or more per gallon isn't "cost effective" than I think you need to explain your definition of "cost effective".
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Harmful Ideas That May Damage Your Vehicle and Increase Emissions
Notice: Never use acetone, ketones, or methanol additives in your vehicle. Some of these solvents may damage or corrode your fuel system. They are also very damaging to the painted surfaces of the vehicle if spilled.
Chemicals that are normally used as solvents also should not be used. These include acetone, ketones, and methanol. These solvents can be incompatible with your vehicles rubber or sealing components, and may dissolve the vehicle’s paint finish. In the case of methanol, corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system also may occur.
1998 GMC Sonoma
2007 GMC Sierra CC
GM/ASE Certified Service Consultant
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Methanol is corrosive...without a doubt. The majority of alcohols will form azeotropes with water. So why are the Big 3 building vehicles that are supposed to be able to run on these Alcohol based fuels? Why are some gas stations adding Alcohol to fuels?
It's called money. Alcohol based fuels may cost a few cents less but they create less power and can cause corrosion. The consumer spends more money on fuel and repairs in the long run...which benefits who??? No need for me to state the obvious.
Acetone without a doubt can damage paint. You have to be careful when adding it to the fuel tank. At the concentrations that are recommended IT WILL NOT HARM THE FUEL SYSTEM....PERIOD.
Acetone GREATLY reduces emissions when added to gasoline at the recommended rates.
The article you quoted from is vague at best and seems more like a general disclaimer to protect somebody's butt...rather than any scientific evidence to contradict the use of Acetone with gasoline.
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This link provides no argument to support your case. It actually is nothing but references to the link I sent you from my Google search....which actually supports my case. I'm glad to see you read it before you posted it.
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No offense but I think I'll pass on this one. If I want another 0.1 mpg I'll change my driving habits. Thanks anyway.
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At the average 15-25% increase people see with there vehicles you would get an increase of 3-5 miles per gallon. Some people see significantly higher numbers than that.
CLICK HERE and you can see some individual studies by average Joe's and results. So again you have posted another ill informed remark with the "0.1 mpg" comment.
I personally don't see any thing in your latest post that has done what I asked you to do...provide scientific studies to contradict the claims. You have merely linked to generic comments that do not address the use of Acetone directly...very vague at best.
Your choice to try it or not is....your choice. Everyone that does the research has a choice on whether or not they want to take the so called risk or not. My purpose with my posts have been to help provide valuable information to those who are interested in this subject.
Your conservative view point is welcome...but if you are going to post on the subject then how about posting something meaningful...and don't attack other peoples character in the process because of things you don't understand. That's all I'm asking.
One other note...I'm not picking on you...you picked on me when you quoted me in a post. I can honestly say that prior to your post the majority of what other users had commented on the subject were also ill informed and without research (poor emissions, emission system damage and fuel system damage come to mind).
I don't think mere opinions without research are appropriate as replys to this post. Do your homework people.
FXNGLAS...Too much useful information to waste PMing someone who has already made up there mind(researched or not) about this subject. I believe I have a right to defend myself here.
Also...why not elaborate more on your personal use of additives. You obviously have valuable insight through your own experience that would be useful to the community. Maybe a new category in the forums should be created for alternative fuels/additives and such. Just a suggestion.
See ya'!
PS...I am the Senior Engineer for one of the largest chemical recyclers and chemical equipment manufacturers in the country. I know first hand what Acetone is capable of since my facility recycles Acetone from DPS(Di-polysulphone also spelled Di-polysulfone) at millions of pounds per year. I am stating this not as an ego boost or to be cocky...but because I am somewhat of an expert in the subject of Acetone and it's uses and I believe you have challenged my credibility.