[longwoodklon]

Originally Posted by StatCoder

OK, so the CR reliability surveys are subjective and your opinion of the two Titans you owned is fact. I'm glad we got that straight.

Well, it's too bad that resale values are going to take a hit. It's too bad that the fall of Toyota's quality rating is going to make the media big time and it's too bad that I'm going to get sh*t from my friends who know I bought a new Tundra.

I just went to the parking lot to look at my truck and it didn't turn into a piece of sh*t just yet.

At least we won't have to listen to the "It's a Toyota" bullsh*t from salesman and others who are trying to justify higher prices for sales, parts, and service. I never said anything like that so I don't have any crow to eat.

Finally, some of you owe an apology to the guy who posted some of the advance information from a CR insider because he got royally flamed. I think he did some of us a favor by letting us know this might be coming. If I were getting ready to buy a Tundra, I would still buy one but I would have this info in hand when the salesman started feeding me this line about how hot this new 2008 Tundra is going to be and how he might be able to knock off $1000 off MSRP.

I agree 100% with these statements. Look, Toyota makes a great product, but they are NOT perfect. And there quality has suffered in direct proportion to their sales increases.

It's these attitudes that '<insert company name here>' is the greatest and justifying any critical reviews as biased, that lead to the decline of the big 3 and it can happen to any company that thinks they don't need to improve. I sincerely hope that this type of review will give Toyota a kick in the A$$ and make them start paying attention again.

Discredit CR all you want, but when they were bashing on all the domestics everyone here used them as proof. CR does have many subjective points in their review. But I think the jittery ride(bed bouncing?) is legit. But bottom line, I'm sure they would have Recommended it had the reliability been average or higher. They simply will NOT recommend a vehicle with below average reliability.
/Mike