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Originally Posted by dieck
Respect your perspective and experience.
My goal is to get out as cheaply as possible including time value of money (financing). I usually get somewhere between invoice and 1k under invoice depending on the model (all this before rebates). I know there are better and worse deals but this works for me.
To pre-negotiate the deal and get in and out with as little friction (and green leaving my wallet) is my style. As always your mileage may vary. 
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as with anything, it would depend on the car. A hybrid highlander right now would not be sold of $2000 over invoice. But a camry could be bought for $1000 under. All depends on timing, supply, demand and what kind of mood I am in that day, lol