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Default No ABS on Tundra!

Well,

I sold my 2001 for a 2005, which had excellent brakes (with aftermarket rotors of course). If i had to stop quick, my anti-lock kicked in with no problem. My 2005 however does not. I almost rear ended someone after I had to get on the brakes. I then went to an open area and pushed hard on the brakes..almost as hard as I could and no pulsating that you feel with anti-lock. So here is the scenario: Strong pedal, no ABS warning lights, fluid level is full. I usually know about this stuff but this has me baffled. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! THX!
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I sold my 2001 for a 2005, which had excellent brakes (with aftermarket rotors of course). If i had to stop quick, my anti-lock kicked in with no problem. My 2005 however does not. I almost rear ended someone after I had to get on the brakes. I then went to an open area and pushed hard on the brakes..almost as hard as I could and no pulsating that you feel with anti-lock. So here is the scenario: Strong pedal, no ABS warning lights, fluid level is full. I usually know about this stuff but this has me baffled. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! THX!

abs brakes were made standard eq on all tundras from 2003 to current check to insure it's working..
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

Get in the dirt or gravel,go really fast, and see if you can stop.
With ABS kicking in it will take forever.
If not working should slide to a stop quickly.
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

ABS will only activate if the wheels are locking up ( ie skidding tires). If the ABS is not working then you should be able to lock up the wheels on pavement and hear the tires swearing at you ( screeching ). No screeching or pulsation and the braking is not hard enough to need ABS.

When you had to brake hard and almost hit someone, are you saying that the truck skidded and the tires lockuped up ? If not then ABS wouldn't have helped you, best to keep more distance.
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

If winter driving on slippery surfaces is the norm, ABS is more of a detriment and will significantly compromise stopping performance by increasing stopping distance.
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

Well don't have to deal with that sh-- in Fl but when I lived in Ohio I appreciated ABS in winter as it gave me the illusion of better control as I could not over brake to the point of swapping ends. It can definitely safely out brake my abilities in slick conditions.
Only prob I ever had with ABS is got a call at work that daughter had been in an accident and was about 1/4 mile of gravel road to the highway.Well it's just a good thing no cars were coming cause it would not stop in the gravel due to my excessive speed (and the ABS not letting the wheels lock and dig into the gravel) and I wound up sliding in the highway to get it turned!
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

for all you folks who think you can stop better on slick surfaces without ABS:

The earth is round not flat

The earth revolves around the sun not the other way around

And thousands of hours have been spent testing ABS and you will stop quicker on a slick surface with ABS brakes than without them. If you think you can brake better without them step away from the cool aid.
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for all you folks who think you can stop better on slick surfaces without ABS:

The earth is round not flat

The earth revolves around the sun not the other way around

And thousands of hours have been spent testing ABS and you will stop quicker on a slick surface with ABS brakes than without them. If you think you can brake better without them step away from the cool aid.
I agree. I was driving when ther was no ABS. With the traffic we have today and even more so in the rain (try Florida after a light rain for the first time in a week) Even more so in a truck as the back is lighter than the front. Just hold the brake down and pray it stops.
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for all you folks who think you can stop better on slick surfaces without ABS:

The earth is round not flat

The earth revolves around the sun not the other way around

And thousands of hours have been spent testing ABS and you will stop quicker on a slick surface with ABS brakes than without them. If you think you can brake better without them step away from the cool aid.
Do you have any test data to back up these claims?
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Well, I think the ABS is not working. When you push almost as hard as you can on the pedal and you don't feel the pulsating from ABS then I would say it is not working...unless there was some sort of change from 2001 to 2005.
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

I love the ABS on my 1150GS, when I hit the dirt I can shut the bike off hold a button re-start the bike and my ABS is off.
Too bad when one hits the dirt in a truck the same couldn't happen.

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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

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for all you folks who think you can stop better on slick surfaces without ABS:

The earth is round not flat

The earth revolves around the sun not the other way around

And thousands of hours have been spent testing ABS and you will stop quicker on a slick surface with ABS brakes than without them. If you think you can brake better without them step away from the cool aid.

ABS is BETTER on slick, smooth surfaces ie. ICE AND WET PAVMENT.

ABS is WORST on lose sufaces ie. GRAVEL AND DEEP SNOW.

I don't have test data to back this up but just try it out for yourself. You can pull the ABS fuse in your truck and try it on a dirt road. ABS also helps you if you need to turn and stop at the same time. I know my truck like the back of my hand do you know yours?
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Default Re: No ABS on Tundra!

I do know my truck and I live in the boonies with several miles of dirt, gravel, clay and if it rains nasty slick. I have over 161 thousand miles on it.
In deep sand or snow locked wheels dig in and would stop shorter than with ABS. This is a specialized situation where the ABS is not a safety factor cause you are out playing in the deep stuff, not dodging traffic. you could wire a switch in to turn the ABS off if you were going off road fun trucking.

yes ABS helps when you are turning and stopping because locked wheels don't turn.

I bet you think traction control is a government plot to take control of your car away from you too.
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Well, I think the ABS is not working. When you push almost as hard as you can on the pedal and you don't feel the pulsating from ABS then I would say it is not working...unless there was some sort of change from 2001 to 2005.

I moved this thread in the hope we can get away from the age old question "which stops better ABS or No ABS". You didn't ask this but that's where this has gone.
Devo, most people with Tundra's complain that the ABS is too sensitive. Your complaint is you don't know if it's working. Toyota may have very well adjusted the sensitivity by 05 I have no way of knowing. This could explain why they don't operate the same as your 01.
The difference could also be your tires. You could have a better gripping tire on your 05. ABS activation has everything to do with tire adhesion to the pavement.
I will suggest, as has been suggested that you get into a open safe parking lot and do some high speed stops (35-40 mph) through a area with water or gravel. Your goal here is to get the wheels to lock up. If they lock up and you slide and there is no ABS activation you definitely have a problem.
If your ABS is not working because of a fault in the system, you should have a ABS warning light activation. When you turn on your key before starting the light should come on and then go off after starting. It is very possible that someone has immobilized the ABS and removed the warning light bulb.
So test for bulb activation and if you have this test in a parking lot. Let us know what your results are.
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I do know my truck and I live in the boonies with several miles of dirt, gravel, clay and if it rains nasty slick. I have over 161 thousand miles on it.
In deep sand or snow locked wheels dig in and would stop shorter than with ABS. This is a specialized situation where the ABS is not a safety factor cause you are out playing in the deep stuff, not dodging traffic. you could wire a switch in to turn the ABS off if you were going off road fun trucking.

yes ABS helps when you are turning and stopping because locked wheels don't turn.

I bet you think traction control is a government plot to take control of your car away from you too.
Haha no I don't, I think its for tards that don't know how to drive their cars.
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