Stainless Brake Lines

[dyogim]

Originally Posted by PagalDesi4Life

Oh I see, I'm guessing there aren't any companies that make the rear lines for the sequoia's. Thanks for the info!

For those that do have the Wheelers SS brake lines, how easy/hard was the installation?

JBToy, nice truck btw!

Brake lines are not hard to install at all. However, I do recommend using a flare-nut wrench when working on the brake lines. The metal on the brake lines are soft and easy to round-off when using a standard open-end wrench. Replace all 4 lines then bleed the whole brake system.

[kylant1]

i installed a set of the wheeler's ones. I did not like the red coating so I cut it off. now I have plain stainless lines. they work great very easy to install. just make sure you bleed them very good after the install

[Alin10123]

Originally Posted by PagalDesi4Life

Oh I see, I'm guessing there aren't any companies that make the rear lines for the sequoia's. Thanks for the info!

For those that do have the Wheelers SS brake lines, how easy/hard was the installation?

JBToy, nice truck btw!

Well... if you look at the connections for the brake lines on the Tundra and them compare them to the sequoia, they might even be very similar if not the same lines, just two of them since they are 2 channels. If they are the same lines, just order two of the rear lines for the Tundra. There you have it, you have the rear brake lines for a sequoia. Of course, if the lines are different... then my idea gets blown into the water.

[PagalDesi4Life]

Originally Posted by Alin10123

Well... if you look at the connections for the brake lines on the Tundra and them compare them to the sequoia, they might even be very similar if not the same lines, just two of them since they are 2 channels. If they are the same lines, just order two of the rear lines for the Tundra. There you have it, you have the rear brake lines for a sequoia. Of course, if the lines are different... then my idea gets blown into the water.

Thats a good idea! Unfortunately I don't own a Tundra, maybe someone on here would be able to compare, I know there are a few Tundra and Sequoia owners.

[Tarpon]

Is there an advantage to having your lines PVC coated? Anybody have the AOR or Offroad Solutions brake lines?

[Yellbird]

There sure is, it will keep any small grit from getting in between the coils of stainless so it won't rub and cause a leak in the brake line itself.

Kylant1 just stated he got his from Wheelers and didn't like the red coating so he cut it off, big mistake. He is now going to have to keep checking to see if he has a leak in the line because of wearing out. The ones from Wheelers have a very good product if it is left intact otherwise why buy them. I guess he got them for show but he opened up a can of worms.
To me thats like putting polish on the car but no wax.

Originally Posted by Tarpon

Is there an advantage to having your lines PVC coated? Anybody have the AOR or Offroad Solutions brake lines?

[kylant1]

Kylant1 just stated he got his from Wheelers and didn't like the red coating so he cut it off, big mistake. He is now going to have to keep checking to see if he has a leak in the line because of wearing out. The ones from Wheelers have a very good product if it is left intact otherwise why buy them. I guess he got them for show but he opened up a can of worms.
To me thats like putting polish on the car but no wax

before I did this I called wheelers and asked if there would be any problems. they said no. my friend who is a mechanic, and helped me install them and my lift said there would be no issue.

i have had plain stainless lines on other trucks with no problems. also, why do most manufactures of stainless lines sell them uncoated if there would be problems?!

I don't think there will be an issue unless they are rubbing constantly on something, which they are not!

[Yellbird]

[QUOTE=kylant1]before I did this I called wheelers and asked if there would be any problems. they said no. my friend who is a mechanic, and helped me install them and my lift said there would be no issue.

i have had plain stainless lines on other trucks with no problems. also, why do most manufactures of stainless lines sell them uncoated if there would be problems?!

I don't think there will be an issue unless they are rubbing constantly on something, which they are not!


"Remember, this race inspired product was invented to protect brake lines from track debris left by accidents the driver sometime has no choice but to drive through. The firmer pedal and faster piston actuation was a side benefit. The "look" is just that. If you want long lasting (relatively speaking) stick to OEM lines. If you want more protection and performance try synthetic cloth braided lines (if anyone is specifically marketing them for the NSX I don't know; if not, custom made by a fluid fastener maker is an option if you can find someone willing to make them for you). That last comment is an option not a recommendation.

If I wanted more protection I'd just place a plastic braided sleeve over the OE lines during a line change. OE brake lines are really good quality for what I've encountered under Honda's and Acura's thus far. If you drive hard and brake hard just inspect your lines regularly and plan on replacing them about every 2-3 years or whenever the fluid is recommended to be flushed and replaced. Might as well get the Speed Bleeder replacement fittings (www.speedbleeder.com) while you're at it and get some Motul or Lockheed fluid."

"Stainless steel lines have been known to fail when dirt gets between the outer braid and the Teflon lining... As the braid moves back and forth, the dirt abrades the Teflon and can make it rupture. If you look at stainless-steel lines on motorcycles, you'll see that many of them are encased in plastic tubing, apparently in an effort to eliminate this problem. The tubing also helps considerably with the abrasion issue mentioned above."

This above was taken out of context but please do whatever you want, it's your life not mine.

[Picasso]

I purchased a set of Goodridge stainless steel braided brake hoses from Wheelers Off Road and was all set to install them as part of my front brake TSB overhaul. I didn't install these because the front hoses didn't fit which came as a bit of a surprise.

Here's what I found:
The problem is with the fittings on the front hoses. They aren't as deep as the hoses that came stock on my vehicle. When the male fitting is screwed all the way into the Goodridge hose, it only goes far enough to engage 2 threads. The attached photo "Brake Fitting depth.jpg" illustrates what I'm talking about. In that photo, it shows the tape that I placed on the fitting after it was screwed in to show how far in it went. The attached photo "Line Fitting Comparison.jpg" shows how much deeper the same type of fitting goes into the stock versus the Goodridge hose.

Additionally, the inside diameter of the Goodridge front hoses are larger than stock which might not allow for a proper seal of the line. The strange thing about all of this is that the fitting that came on the rear brake line is what should be on the fronts. The attached photos "Brake Lines Ends.jpg" and "Brake Lines Top.jpg" show how they are different. Notice the greater depth of the rear line fitting.

The male fittings on my truck are all the same, so this is an issue at each end of the front brake hoses.

I spoke with Jason at Wheelers, who was very receptive about this and he confirmed that I was sent the correct hoses. After looking into my problem, he also agreed that what I got wasn't going to work and I now have a return shipment label from Wheelers to send back the front hoses for a refund.

I haven't read a thing in this forum indicating this problem before. Jason thought it might be the fact that I have a 2WD and that most, if not all of the previous customers had 4WD which has different fittings.

I can't beleive I'm the first person to encounter this problem. Has anyone else encounterred this?

I'm still looking for a pair of front SS brake hoses to go with my rear brake hose. Anyone have a recommendation?

Many thanks,

Paul

[mustang67408]

I have the RUSSELL SS Brake lines, I ordered them from SUMMIT RACING. You have to call them, they are not listed in the catalog.
They fit just like the factory ones.
00-04 Tundra 2WD & 4WD --> PART# 688480
Russell SS brake lines

2wd & 4wd TUNDRA BRAKE LINES ARE THE SAME.

[KLS]

I got the stainless lines from raceshopper.com. The fit fine, but frankly, made no difference with the braking feel.


Ken

[Picasso]

Originally Posted by mustang67408

I have the RUSSELL SS Brake lines, I ordered them from SUMMIT RACING. You have to call them, they are not listed in the catalog.
They fit just like the factory ones.
00-04 Tundra 2WD & 4WD --> PART# 688480
Russell SS brake lines

2wd & 4wd TUNDRA BRAKE LINES ARE THE SAME.

Originally Posted by KLS

I got the stainless lines from raceshopper.com. The fit fine, but frankly, made no difference with the braking feel.


Ken

Thanks for the recommendations for brake hose suppliers. It would have been worthwhile to install the hoses had I done so while doing the rest of my brake work. Since I did a complete brake fluid flush, and everything is working really well, I am not in a big hurry to install new SS brake hoses especially if they don't provide much of an improvement.

I am still amazed that no one else on TS has encounterred and posted a comment about this fitting problem.

Many thanks,

Paul

[sknaus]

I just ordered a set from Crown Performance. They made me a custom extended set for my Tuff Country Lift. They knew exactly what I needed and were really helpful and shipped them out the same day. I should have them today or Monday. They had a bunch of different colors to pick from as well. They were $100 plus shipping for the set. If you are interested, call them and talk to John Conrad, he will set you up. 760-599-0090

Steve

[garyharrison]

I purchased these from summit racing. The lines had female ends on them and I had to get nipples for them. The nipples fit into the holes, but there is a flat part where the wrench fit on that seems like it should seat firmly on the caliper but it didn't because the threds were too long. Is this a problem? They are really tight and I have not had any leaks. Also, should there be a washer between the brake line nipple and the caliper? The caliper came with washers but because of the threds being too long they did not serve any purpose. Thanks for your help!

[jsutton]

Since there hasn't been a post here in a while, I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of sources for stainless steel brakes lines for the Sequoia?
Jim