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Just ordered a 2005 Tundra and I gotta get this brake issue fixed!!!
Was never happy with the brakes on my 2000 or 2002. I upgraded to ventilated rotors ($230), kevlar pads ($50), special shoes ($150); and it still won't haul down. Down right dangerous when tailgating in heavy traffic. My 2004 4Runner will put my nose into the steeringwheel!! BTW, I carry a 700 lb ATV in the bed at all times. The brakes are mushy and my dealer says they are OK. He says my ATV and 285/75R16 32" tall tires are the problem. He could be right.

TRD has a Big Brake deal for the front end for an outragous $2200, and the rotors are only 13 mm larger dia. SOS makes a rear disc brake conversion kit for $1000. These are huge prices. What am I missing here??

Can I not find some 355 mm rotors for the front with calipers and pads and bolt 'em on for say $600? Don't care if I have to go to 18" rims. $2200 seems ridiculous for the TRD brake kit.

Anybody have any suggestions or had similar problems???
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Just ordered a 2005 Tundra and I gotta get this brake issue fixed!!!
Was never happy with the brakes on my 2000 or 2002. I upgraded to ventilated rotors ($230), kevlar pads ($50), special shoes ($150); and it still won't haul down. Down right dangerous when tailgating in heavy traffic. My 2004 4Runner will put my nose into the steeringwheel!! BTW, I carry a 700 lb ATV in the bed at all times. The brakes are mushy and my dealer says they are OK. He says my ATV and 285/75R16 32" tall tires are the problem. He could be right.

TRD has a Big Brake deal for the front end for an outragous $2200, and the rotors are only 13 mm larger dia. SOS makes a rear disc brake conversion kit for $1000. These are huge prices. What am I missing here??

Can I not find some 355 mm rotors for the front with calipers and pads and bolt 'em on for say $600? Don't care if I have to go to 18" rims. $2200 seems ridiculous for the TRD brake kit.

Anybody have any suggestions or had similar problems???
HE** YES!

This is one of the last mods I want to do and it drives me crazy to see all the upgrade options for the big 3 while we get TRD or nada for a front brake option. SSBRAKES makes something like I'd like, but not for our Tundras. Maybe if enough people contacted Stainless Steel...

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http://www.stoptech.com/ They make the big break kit for TRD. They also sell the same kit with their name on it for about the same price. Perhaps you can ask them if they have something larger available for the tundra. Or perhaps you can see if they will knock the price down to make it worth wile for you. They might me more willing to barter than your Toyota dealer selling the TRD stuff would.
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On all toyota trucks, Toyota uses a load sensing control valve. As you add weight to the box, the control valve allows more brake fluid to go to the rear wheels. In return, the less weight in the box the less fluid goes to the rear wheels. What this does is completely eliminate rear wheel lockup. At one time brake systems were 60% front and 40% rear. This is Toyota's fix to rear wheel lock-up. That is why the rear brakes on a Toyota pickup last so long, because it is 75% front and 25% rear. The way I put up with it is I use the brakes like I want, and change the front rotors and pads about every 30,000 miles or so. The rotors aren't thick enough to turn, so just replace them with the pads and drive it.
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Hey Okie, thanks for the reply. Drove thru your great state several years ago and had a memorable time. Went to the Phillips Western Museum in Bartellsville and also had the best fried catfish of my life and I'm a pickerel guy. Yeah, it sucks that the Tundra doesn't get a lot of aftermarket toys. Hell, what am I talking about. I should be buying north american. Those dang Japanese won't take our beef, yet they've just had their 14th case of BSE. I should throw my TV and my computer and my cell phone and my camera in the lake!!

AgentWD-40 - thanks for the input and the address. Sure seems like a lot 'o bucks for rotors and calipers.
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Found a few post above yours:

This is for those of you who have wondered if you could do the overly complicated brake upgrade in the Toyota TSB BR004-02. The answer is yes, anyone with simple mechanical skills can do it and it can be done in about one hour or so and much cheaper then you have been told.
The problems:
1. If you buy all the parts listed in the TBS from Toyota you will pay out well over $1000.00. 2. The bulletin overly complicates the install, as it require that you replace the two backing plates. Then makes it worse by requiring the hub and bearing be removed to do this.
This is simply unreasonable and unnecessary.
How to save money and make it simple:
1. I researched this and found that replacing the backing plates is completely unnecessary The new caliper are only slightly larger and require just a little trimming of the backing plates to fit. All you need is a tin snips and a silver marker. This make it a simple swap.
2. Remanufactured calipers are now becoming available for the Tundra. Sure you will most likely have to pay the core charge but if this save haft the price of a new unit then it's still a great deal. Make sure when you go looking that you ask for the larger or upgraded calipers, otherwise you might get the same ones you have now.
What's needed and were to get it:
I have been searching for a good source of a quality remanufactured caliper for this swap. I know you can find some sources on the net. This is fine, but I discover that a friend of mine, Mac, who runs Imported Parts Warehouse right here in the Cincinnati area had the things in stock. (IPW's # 513- 874-9881) Through Mac, I bought Semi-loaded caliper which come with pins and anti-rattle clips. He furnished top quality PBR ceramic pads and Brembo rotors. My research in to this still left me with the need of a pad shim kit, caliper bolts and brake lines which would need to come from Toyota.
Bottom line, I save well over haft of what I would pay buying all the parts from Toyota. Now this is more affordable!
10 steps to get er done :
1. Jack up the front of your truck and set it on jack stands. Remove the front wheels.
2. Remove the brake line between the caliper and brake hose. (10 mm brake line wrench)
3. Remove the two bolts behind the caliper with a 17 mm wrench or socket. Remove the caliper assembly.
4. Slide the rotor off the hub. This might require some force, like beating it off with a hammer in this case your definitely replacing it.
5. Set the new caliper up against the backing plate, lining it up with the mounting bolt holes. Outline around the caliper, top and bottom with silver marker. You'll see that only about a haft inch needs to be trimmed on each side. Trim it back with a tin snips and then paint the bare edge with black paint.
6. Coat the hub lightly with silicone brake grease. This will prevent the rotor from rusting in place. Install the rotor. (Use a few lug nut to hold it in place)
7. Install the caliper using the new bolts. You must use new bolts as the old ones are longer and could touch the rotor. Make sure your bleeder screw is at the top!
8. Install the new pads, shims and hardware just as was on the old caliper.
9. Bleed the brakes and your done. Oh repeat on the other side! Now your done
10. Be sure to torque the wheels to prevent a possible rotor warpage.
How It Turned out:
I never like the "feel" of the brakes on this truck and acutely I was getting used to it. But after having to turn the rotors twice to eliminate a bad shake during off highway stops, I new this would need to be done. Now after a few days of driving it with the bigger brake calipers I can say the pedal feel is a lot better. We have yet to see if the reoccurring brake shake is gone for good.
Other things you might need to know:
Parts Sources Used in this swap
Imported Parts Warehouse 9321-A SewardRd. Fairfield Ohio, 513-874-9881, Mac@macsparts.com
Brembo Rotors IPW part #0832821
PBR Ceramic pads IPW part #105.09760
Semi-Loader Calipers RH IPW part #141.44231 LH IPW part #141.44232

Local Toyota Dealer
Brake Line Toyota part #473150C020
Brake Line Toyota part #473180C020
Bolts 4 needed Toyota part #9008010298
Shim Kits Toyota part #0494535080

Torques: Brake caliper bolts 90 Lb-ft
Brake line nuts 11Lb-ft
Wheels lug nuts 83 lb.ft

Tools needed: 17mm socket and ratchet, 10mm line wrench, tin snips or an abrasive cut-off wheel, Sharpie (Metalic Silver works best)
Other matirials: Black spray paint, Silicone brake grease, brake fluid
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