2000 Tundra Brakes out of Warranty

cdalton · #1 (**permalink**) 02-09-2005, 06:36 PM

The brakes on my truck have the bad vibration that there was a service notice for. There really wasn't much of a problem till this winter, and the local dealer wants $2000 to fix the problem. Is there anyway to fix these at a lower cost--can you get the parts and have a local shop install them? Since it took nearly 5 years to really be noticeable, can we just replace the calipers and rotors with the same equipment? Looking for a more economical solution to this. After having owned Toyota trucks for over 25 years, I am very disappointed.

glennk · #2 (**permalink**) 02-09-2005, 07:24 PM

You can buy the pads and rotors from almost any parts store fairly cheap and do the job yourself for about under $200 or less and in about 30 minutes. I don't remember the exact price, but it was cheap. Also the front brakes are the easiest i have ever changed in my life. I have not had to do the rear drums yet, but those are next. Might be a different story if the calipers are failing. Have not had that yet.

Did they tell you what you were getting for that $2 grand ?

geojim · #3 (**permalink**) 02-09-2005, 07:32 PM

The TSB includes larger calipers and rotors to handle higher brake useage. There are alot of parts involved. You probably could do it cheaper yourself, but it may require some special tools, pullers, etc.

If you went 5 years without major issue, then I think if you simply replaced the rotors and pads, (same as 2k version, not updated) you would probably be all set. It sounds like you are easy on them anyway. Do a search, I think some have replaced the rotors w/ powerslots or some other aftermarket makes with pretty good results. Unless you have a stuck piston or something, then caliper replacement might be in order. You would have to be the same part # though, not the updated version.

Maybe other members have further input...

KLS · #4 (**permalink**) 02-09-2005, 10:24 PM

You can have any shop do the job for much less by buying the new calipers and installing them by cutting away part of the backing plate to allow them to fit. The dealership will install a new backing plate which is a lot of work.

I'd just buy top quality rotors...Raybestos PG, Brembo, PowerSlot. I'd match them with premium quality pads...Performance Friction, Hawk, Porterfield, Akebono. A tech rep at Performance Friction told me that they and their customers have seen no benefit from cryogenically treated rotors.

Performance Friction makes very high performance rotors for racing and many street applications...not Tundra & Sequoia yet. We need to email them to show them that sufficient market exists for their rotors that fit our trucks.

Ken

geojim · #5 (**permalink**) 02-10-2005, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KLS

You can have any shop do the job for much less by buying the new calipers and installing them by cutting away part of the backing plate to allow them to fit. The dealership will install a new backing plate which is a lot of work.....

So, all of us in the same boat w/ 00'-01' which have not had the brake TSB done, due to lack of awareness of TSB, no probelms, or used purchase with no knowledge of such upgrades, (me!) all we need to do is get the updated calipers? I saw some of these on ebay, listed as 00-03.
I looked at the actual TSB, and for some reason it looked alot more involved. Maybe because they include a new backing plate.
Are the rotors are the same?
I apologize to cdalton if I mislead w/ my previous reply (below)

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Originally Posted by geojim

The TSB includes larger calipers and rotors to handle higher brake useage. There are alot of parts involved. You probably could do it cheaper yourself, but it may require some special tools, pullers, etc......

KLS · #6 (**permalink**) 02-10-2005, 04:25 PM

The "right" way to install the new calipers is with new backing plates with the correct cut-outs. This requires releasing the ball joints, pressing out the sealed wheel bearing. The labor is extensive and the wheel bearings ain't cheap. Certain new nuts, bolts, brake tubing, and other small pieces will be needed.

There is no change to the rotors.

Ken

UsE_To_RoCk · #7 (**permalink**) 02-14-2005, 10:32 PM

I have a non-TSB 2000 Tundra and my dealer has yet to have it fixed under my extended warranty. It was reallllllllllly bad with the OEM pads and rotors, my brakes would squeal and scream all the time shaking themselves into absolute chaos.
I replaced them with standard Brembo rotors and Akebono ceremic pads. They only squeal in reverse and when the rotors are wet or haven't been driven for a while, but they are QUITE noticalbe when they do squeal....let's just say I can't leave my house in the morning with out my whole street knowing.

num · #8 (**permalink**) 02-15-2005, 12:16 AM

You know what, I haven't heard any conclusive statements as to the cause of the brake vibe and you're sure as hell not going to get anything even close to reality from any service tech from the Yota dealership. I would go for the aftermarket rotors/pads. If you go for an aftermarket caliper it'll be some serious buck, but I would just replace the rotors/pads from your local refurb dealer... pepboys, autobone, partsamerica, advanced auto, etc.
Brake vibe always points directly to warping in the rotor from my experience. Either grinding the rotor or purchasing a new one will always do the trick. I have this faint belief that Yota didn't build into the design of the caliper mount the ability to "float". It's sad because even on my 1968 ford dana 60 front end they had floating calipers which work flawlessly for longer than my lifetime. I honestly have not taken apartment my tundra to see what might be the obvious shortcomings, but I fear that the < 2000 tundras have an improper caliper mount. I have an 03 tundra and have felt the brake vibe, but It's always somehow disappeared. Unsure what Yota might have done to remedy this, but I doubt they went as far as to assure that the rotor would not become warped.
I've even done chevy dana 60 conversions, with homebrew oxy/acetyl cut mounts and never had a brake vibe problem with running the same rotors for over 10 years.
Half of me hates to say this, but the aftermarket might be your only bet... especially if it's going to be a $2k+ job to fix it. That's just absolutely insane.
For that price I could almost have a usa6x6 custom unimog ford 9" with whatever locker I wanted along with disc brakes that would NEVER warp...

best of luck to you trying to remedy this!
Do know that brake vibe is absolutely nothing compared to what some refer to as "death wobble" with the oldschool dana60 kingpin axles and 35"+ tires. That is something that will really prevent a truck from being a daily driver. Hope that makes you feel a little better!

Cheers.

KLS · #9 (**permalink**) 02-15-2005, 11:23 AM

There are no aftermarket calipers unless you go to the effort and expense to fit some race calipers. There are two models of Toyota calipers, the early, smaller calipers, and the larger, later calipers.

I wouldn't buy brake parts at one of the chain auto parts stores with one exception...Autozone sells Performace Friction pads. If the stores have top quality Raybestos PG rotors or equal, OK. Otherwise I'd get Hawk, Akebono, Performance Friction, or Porterfield pads from a performance shop or on-line source.

There are several causes of brake judder other than warped rotors.
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/...otors_myth.htm

Ken

GeorgiaTundra · #10 (**permalink**) 06-29-2005, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KLS

The "right" way to install the new calipers is with new backing plates with the correct cut-outs. This requires releasing the ball joints, pressing out the sealed wheel bearing. The labor is extensive and the wheel bearings ain't cheap. Certain new nuts, bolts, brake tubing, and other small pieces will be needed.

There is no change to the rotors.

Ken

I've been told they did replace the rotors on the TSB? Of course they don't show it on my receipt but the dealer asks me if I wanted a 332mm or the smaller one. Any idea?