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This is a discussion thread titled "Broken Rod on Sequoia", within the Engine & Drivetrain forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
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WHO USES RE-REFINED OIL? Thousands of cars, trucks, and fleets are running on re-refined oil including Coca- Cola, UPS, US Postal Service, Frito-Lay, Cal Trans, federal government departmental fleets, Southern California Gas, the City of San Francisco, and every Mercedes Benz new passenger vehicle. Re-refined oil is even being used on the NASCAR circuit, and those people know their engines.
WILL RE-REFINED OIL VOID MY WARRANTY OR HURT MY ENGINE? NO! Vehicle and engine manufacturers such as Ford, GM, DaimerChrysler, and Mercedes Benz have all gone on record to state that using API certified re-refined oil does not affect warranty
coverage. The Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act also states that manufacturers cannot void warranties if the re-refined oil meets the manufacturer recommendations. Mercedes Benz has been using re-refined oil to fill new cars at their factories for years. API-certified re-refined oil is not only good enough for your car, it’s even recommended.
Toyota will normally ask that it be done before they warranty a block.
Standard practice.
As stated above, don't trust the bulk oil that the dealer might be using!
In the end, after this blown engine, do you really expect a reliable answer from them. I won't.
I cannot emphasize this enough.
Good luck.
LT
I agree on most cases with you LT however I have never had Toyota ask for an oil analysis when performing warranty repairs on any engine. One can tell by looking at the faulty part the failure was due to oil starvation or lack of maint. We do require oil change receipts if we believe an engine was not maintained properly.
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I agree on most cases with you LT however I have never had Toyota ask for an oil analysis when performing warranty repairs on any engine. One can tell by looking at the faulty part the failure was due to oil starvation or lack of maint. We do require oil change receipts if we believe an engine was not maintained properly.
mral1515, as a Toyota dealer Mastertech and shop foreman, do you think the following statements are true:
"many Toyota dealers use bulk RECYCLED oil"
"Recycled oil won't meet API standards 90% of the time."
Sorry, I really don't want to get involved in this ongoing thing you guys have going. Maybe I already have. At my dealership we use bulk oil however I personally prefer Mobile 1
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16 years with Toyota
I agree on most cases with you LT however I have never had Toyota ask for an oil analysis when performing warranty repairs on any engine. One can tell by looking at the faulty part the failure was due to oil starvation or lack of maint. We do require oil change receipts if we believe an engine was not maintained properly.
That may be true in TMS Gulf States Region.
TMS Middle Atlantic Region is very tight with drivetrain warrantys and a UOA is a tool often used and even required for most arbitrations when maintenance questions are an issue.
Ive seen this so many times. Most times the customer doesn't even know.
TMS Middle Atlantic Region is very tight with drivetrain warrantys and a UOA is a tool often used and even required for most arbitrations when maintenance questions are an issue.
LT
Fair enough. Just not at the dealers in my area.
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Shop Foreman
16 years with Toyota
IS RE-REFINED OIL AS GOOD AS VIRGIN OIL? YES! Re-refined oil is equivalent in every respect to oil produced directly from crude oil. It must undergo the same comprehensive testing and meet the same quality standards as virgin lubricants in order to receive certification by the American Petroleum Institute (API). API-licensed re-refined oils must pass the same cold-start and pumpability,rust corrosion, engine wear, high temperature viscosity, deposit, and phosphorus tests that virgin oils do. The API certification mark ensures that the re-refined oil has met auto manufacturers’ specifications for optimum engine performance. The API and the former American Automobile Manufacturers Association (AAMA) have developed the Engine Oil Licensing Certification System (EOLCS) to ensure that all engine oils consistently meet performance specifications.
WHO USES RE-REFINED OIL? Thousands of cars, trucks, and fleets are running on re-refined oil including Coca- Cola, UPS, US Postal Service, Frito-Lay, Cal Trans, federal government departmental fleets, Southern California Gas, the City of San Francisco, and every Mercedes Benz new passenger vehicle. Re-refined oil is even being used on the NASCAR circuit, and those people know their engines.
WILL RE-REFINED OIL VOID MY WARRANTY OR HURT MY ENGINE? NO! Vehicle and engine manufacturers such as Ford, GM, DaimerChrysler, and Mercedes Benz have all gone on record to state that using API certified re-refined oil does not affect warranty
coverage. The Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act also states that manufacturers cannot void warranties if the re-refined oil meets the manufacturer recommendations. Mercedes Benz has been using re-refined oil to fill new cars at their factories for years. API-certified re-refined oil is not only good enough for your car, it’s even recommended.
This is a multibillion dollar business that feeds the mouths of many families.
It is eco-friendly up to a certain point.
It has been around for many decades.
I used it in 1000+ unit fleets. It is cost effective in this manner. I just choose to use premium oil in all my personal stuff.
I don't prefer recycled dino for the reasons stated earlier.
And it IS not as well a regulated industry that it appears to be.
Virgin UOA's proved this to me several times. Re-Refined OIl is just a politically correct modern name for Recycled Bulk waste OIL.
One mans junk is another mans gold!
We are forced to return waste oil, as we should. And it has a viable use for the masses.
Still at Dealer...
He's waiting on backordered parts. Should start the rebuild on the 9th.! Wow two weeks ...and counting. I don't know who gets the lucky task of rebuilding my motor. I'm sure all the senior Tech Guys would just love to jump on that job..Not!
So I don't know what quality to expect.
Have had my truck back and put about 7K miles on it now. Noticed that the belt was 'squeaking"... Last oil change the dealer said I needed to replace the valve/ serpentine? belt.
I was surprised that it wasn't replaced on the rebuild! Would you expect this to be replaced ? What else am I going to have to replace in short order? I'm getting close to the big 60K..then no more warranty for me.
What a feeling!
Have had my truck back and put about 7K miles on it now. Noticed that the belt was 'squeaking"... Last oil change the dealer said I needed to replace the valve/ serpentine? belt.
I was surprised that it wasn't replaced on the rebuild! Would you expect this to be replaced ? What else am I going to have to replace in short order? I'm getting close to the big 60K..then no more warranty for me.
What a feeling!
FB2K
Belts should have been replaced if the block was taken out if it had 45K miles on it. Sloppy workmanship, find another d(s)tealership.
On that note, pl. read up on how to do oil changes, it will turn out good for you and shop syn oils in walmart. My local nissan dealer keeps sending me coupons for $34.99 for an dino oil change (which could be recycled oil /bulk oil eventually) and don't know what that number would be if it was syn fluids.
For my highlander it cost me <$25 to do a syn oil change, $20 for 5Q of Mobil1 syn oil and <$5 for Napa Gold filter. I get a syn oil change for less than a dino oil change.
D(s)tealerships are going down the tubes and I have seem many master techs setting their shops on their own....
Re: Broken Rod on Sequoia
