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This is a discussion thread titled "DIY: ATF Flush, With Pics.", within the Engine & Drivetrain forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
I don't know why everyone keeps flaming KathyRicks. I have owned Toyota trucks since 1985. I buy them for their high reliability. Therefore I don't understand all of this babying on maintainence. You guys must be converts from the "big 3" and used to this stuff. Every yoda I have had got well over 100K so I don't know where the 100K and it's over number came from. I don't use synthetic oil either, another waste of money. OK so all of you overzealous shade tree mechanicx can flame me now, but I am speaking from experience, and that is why I buy Toyotas and not chevys. If you added all of the extra money you spend on sythetics and over maintaining your vehicle over the years you could buy a new one. Just follow the scheduled maintainence and use approved fluids. Good write up on the procedure that this thread is about tho.
No flame here.
I have owned Toyotas since 1981. I am not a convert. Was a Toyota trained tech for 8+years. I beg to differ with yu.
Toyota is not the almighty car maker that they once were back then. They have become like the Big 3 as of late. About big business and world domination of market share. At any cost.
As a result they have become indifferent to the average loyal consumer.
And it is most apparent to the Toyota enthusiast.
100K miles in todays vehicles is an expectation. But 500k-1000,000 mile is rediculous. Can it happen, yes. But hardly with the same owner ,under the same conditions ,with the same specific maintenance regimen.
That is so very rare.
OE fluids, specifically, engine oil, brake fluid, and gear fluids, are NOT required and may be Upgraded to better quality fluids available elswhere.
Your Toyota will be fine and may even thank you.
And dealers don't give yu bottled genuine Toyota Engine oil as a rule, when yu get your OCI done.
You seem to be a Toyota fan, hopefully you stay the same with the shoddy workmanship on the newer Toyotas...
Fan yea somewhat Little disappointed on a few thing's as of yet mainly reviewing the complaint list on the 07/08 Tundra is a huge disappointment to the overall future sake In Toyota Motor's becoming a big 3 and see you later. About the Transmission design I feel it's sad Toyota has ditched that feature. Having a self contained Tran mission that is sealed and the Fluid life requires no replacement is Bull crap. fluid does break down (WS) and they require diff procedures which makes it harder to check or replace fluid .
read about the type4 fluid
This is Toyota's Type T4 transmission fluid. It supercedes Type T, T2, and T3. Toyota is claiming the fluid does not need to be replaced under "normal operating conditions". We strongly disagree. We recommend changing Type T4 fluid every 15K miles, just like regular ATF. Type T4 is not particularly expensive, and the total cost of a transmission drain and fill is only slightly more than a motor oil change.
Having a self contained Tran mission that is sealed and the Fluid life requires no replacement is Bull crap.
The 2007 Tundra transmission is not sealed. It simply has a different fluid changing and refilling procedure than previous transmissions. Ford and Dodge also commonly buy their transmissions from Aisin so they're going to get dipstickless transmissions too.
Manual transmissions have never had dipsticks. Differentials have never had dipsticks. And now we're entering an era when automatic transmissions don't have them either.
The 2007 Tundra transmission is not sealed. It simply has a different fluid changing and refilling procedure than previous transmissions. Ford and Dodge also commonly buy their transmissions from Aisin so they're going to get dipstickless transmissions too.
Manual transmissions have never had dipsticks. Differentials have never had dipsticks. And now we're entering an era when automatic transmissions don't have them either.
You gotta admit that hopefully this is not a trend. Eventually they'll have the know-how to rid the oil dipstick and pretty much everything else too. For those of us hands-on types that's a killler. Plus, the more the consumer loses the ability to upkeep their vehicles, the more you have to go to a professional. This equals money outta your pocket.
The 2007 Tundra transmission is not sealed. It simply has a different fluid changing and refilling procedure than previous transmissions. Ford and Dodge also commonly buy their transmissions from Aisin so they're going to get dipstickless transmissions too.
Manual transmissions have never had dipsticks. Differentials have never had dipsticks. And now we're entering an era when automatic transmissions don't have them either.
05-current Tundra has the same design it's Ws fluid and has No dip stick (aisin 5 speed and aisin 6 speed)...
speaking of transmission look at Lexus New 8 speed used on the New Ls. I took this picture when i went to Detriot last year.Picture show's first gear and it has a lot of gear's 8..
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 01-29-2008 at 07:46 PM.
I thought the change in oil filter was an issue with disposal of the filter, not because it's better.
This is why BMW & MB use these more often.....a lot less waste. No more wasted metal shell getting thrown away. Plus, they're a lot easier to change & less messy too.
You gotta admit that hopefully this is not a trend. Eventually they'll have the know-how to rid the oil dipstick and pretty much everything else too. For those of us hands-on types that's a killler. Plus, the more the consumer loses the ability to upkeep their vehicles, the more you have to go to a professional. This equals money outta your pocket.
Ha! BMW's new 3.0L twin turbo engine doesn't even have an oil dipstick. Instead it uses a level sensor, particulate sensor & software to determine the oil condition.
I originally thought this was bad, but the more I thought about it, I think it better.
Look at it this way, let's go get 10 shadetree (or even professional) mechanics and ask them to check the transmission (or engine) oil in your Tundra. What's your bet you're going to get 10 different answers (and quotes if they're in business for fluid changes). The problem is that whether it's engine oil, tranny fluid or even coolant, the levels of this stuff will vary based on driving conditions, fluid temperature, cool-down period, etc. This means, they're all anyway.
Now, look at the software system. It can do long-term trending of levels, evaluate particulate mass, and evaluate the levels during operation (when we ACTUALLY really care). This is how our steel rolling mill control systems work. We would never trust a DFU to evaluate this kind of thing on a machine that requires 24hr uptime. This is better for you as a USED vehicle purchaser as well. 99% of lemmings never check the oil, tires, etc (heck most prolly can't open the damn hood). This is just another light that will go light up on the dashboard causing the owner to make a mad dash to the dealer.
As for the DIYer, unfortunately, it's going to mean that we just need more & more sophisticated tools. These cost more money, but in the end, you'll be able to justify it the same way you justified a $100 meter.......
Ha! BMW's new 3.0L twin turbo engine doesn't even have an oil dipstick. Instead it uses a level sensor, particulate sensor & software to determine the oil condition.
I originally thought this was bad, but the more I thought about it, I think it better.
Look at it this way, let's go get 10 shadetree (or even professional) mechanics and ask them to check the transmission (or engine) oil in your Tundra. What's your bet you're going to get 10 different answers (and quotes if they're in business for fluid changes). The problem is that whether it's engine oil, tranny fluid or even coolant, the levels of this stuff will vary based on driving conditions, fluid temperature, cool-down period, etc. This means, they're all anyway.
Now, look at the software system. It can do long-term trending of levels, evaluate particulate mass, and evaluate the levels during operation (when we ACTUALLY really care). This is how our steel rolling mill control systems work. We would never trust a DFU to evaluate this kind of thing on a machine that requires 24hr uptime. This is better for you as a USED vehicle purchaser as well. 99% of lemmings never check the oil, tires, etc (heck most prolly can't open the damn hood). This is just another light that will go light up on the dashboard causing the owner to make a mad dash to the dealer.
As for the DIYer, unfortunately, it's going to mean that we just need more & more sophisticated tools. These cost more money, but in the end, you'll be able to justify it the same way you justified a $100 meter.......
Whether manually by a dipstick or just looking at a gauge, so long as we still have the option of checking the levels and conditions ourselves, I'm cool w/ ridding the dipstick. (Don't know, but I wonder if the 2nd Gen.'s have an ATF level/condition sensor that indicate precise fluid levels and condition.)
One problem though is sensor-failure. Likelyhood of failure is no exaggeration either, remember the O2 senors? The ave. owner will likely overly rely exclusively upon sensors. So something as minor as a sensor failure can mean a blown tranny/engine. Actually, if the DIYer or even a pro. doesn't have a relatively convenient means of checking levels/condition manually, or even if they do, they'll be prone to overly rely too (just human nature.)
With my oil, I want to be able to see it, touch it, feel it.
First of all, great job on the detailed instructions on how to do an ATF flush. I have a Haynes manual but it does not go into the flushing part.
I have a quick question. One of the illustrations in the Haynes manual shows installing new gaskets in the filter itself, where your way doesnt have you putting anything in the filter before bolting it back in. Is this something I can ignore? I have an 00 Tundra.. Thanks for your help
Thanks. I didn't change mine b/c they were fine. I would just check them. If they look ok, I think it's ok to just keep the old ones.
None of us are Toyota executives, so none of us knows what goes on in Toyota board of directors meetings so we can't know for sure whether what we say here matters much to Toyota executives. Example: Despite the fact that owners do not like the new cartridge type oil filters and do not like the new dipstickless automatic transmissions, Toyota decided the benefits of these new designs trumped the disadvantages so it is highly unlikely Toyota will ever go back to spin on oil filters or dipstick equipped transmissions.
Who is us? You can't speak for every person registered on this forum. So who is us?
Who is us? You can't speak for every person registered on this forum. So who is us?
I think this guy is a spammer it's sort of noted on record by now
About Toyota issues on the first model year. I've aware on all the little default's on the 2000 Tundra hell I got a brand new one that year it came out.I don't need someone that doesn't understand problems to put blame on Our members and Toyota customer.Lucky for me Toyota addressed them late on but I wouldn't subject myself to that again on Gen 2 yet
I Think Cobb Toyota served me very well on my Problems yet Toyota did have a few outline fault's that many on hear are very aware about.
Cheer Erik
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 02-21-2008 at 06:19 PM.
I think this guy is a spammer it's sort of noted on record by now
About Toyota issues on the first model year. I've aware on all the little default's on the 2000 Tundra hell I got a brand new one that year it came out.I don't need someone that doesn't understand problems to put blame on Our members and Toyota customer.Lucky for me Toyota addressed them late on but I wouldn't subject myself to that again on Gen 2 yet
I Think Cobb Toyota served me very well on my Problems yet Toyota did have a few outline fault's that many on hear are very aware about.
Cheer Erik
I agree, but like I told her in another post, I enjoy reading what she has to say. One doesn't have to read many of her posts to realize she doesn't understand the subjects she comments on. I'm pretty sure she just enjoys trying to prove people wrong. This forum is open to the public, but she really shouldn't attack other people's posts with inaccurate information.
Re: DIY: ATF Flush, With Pics.
anyway.
