Timing belt replacement - What else should I get done at the same time?

[tundraboy27909]

I looked at the timing belt package on ebay but was scared to death of the "generic" timing belt and serpentine belt. Plus I would not put anything but a Goodyear gatorback serpentine belt on my Tundra because of my previous experience with the crappy squealing from the Toyota belt. The seller agreed to sale me the other parts minus the timing belt and serpentine belt but I decided I wanted to get parts from a manufacturer that I had heard of. I have to admit that the price they quoted for the package minus the timing and serpentine belts was mighty tempting.

I have sinced ordered a Gates timing belt, Gates bearings, Toyota water pump, Toyota termostat, and a Goodyear gatorback serpentine belt. I did not want to take chances with some "off brand" parts (never heard of Koyo or SKF).

[tundraboy27909]

I took another look at the ebay package. It says it includes a new front crank seal and two new cam seals. Does anyone know the Toyota part number for these parts?

I also see people mentioning getting the two "O rings". What are they talking about?

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Ok since nobody else responded, I guess that I am now answering my own questions:
O-rings:
96761-24019 ($3)
96761-35035 ($3)

Cam seals:
90311-38065 ($15X2)

Crank seal:
90311-43006 ($9)

[kathyricks]

Originally Posted by tundraboy27909

I did not want to take chances with some "off brand" parts (never heard of Koyo or SKF).

You're driving a Japanese vehicle. Toyota's deliver legendary levels of reliability and durability because they are made with parts supplied by Japan's best part's companies. In Japan, the three top Japanese bearing companies are NSK, Koyo and Nachi.

Gates & Goodyear timing kits come with a tensioner / idler bearings made by a second class bearing companies like GMB. These are fine as long as you are satisfied with Ford, Chevy and Chrysler levels of reliability and durability.

[LifeTech]

Originally Posted by tundraboy27909

I looked at the timing belt package on ebay but was scared to death of the "generic" timing belt and serpentine belt. Plus I would not put anything but a Goodyear gatorback serpentine belt on my Tundra because of my previous experience with the crappy squealing from the Toyota belt. The seller agreed to sale me the other parts minus the timing belt and serpentine belt but I decided I wanted to get parts from a manufacturer that I had heard of. I have to admit that the price they quoted for the package minus the timing and serpentine belts was mighty tempting.

I have sinced ordered a Gates timing belt, Gates bearings, Toyota water pump, Toyota termostat, and a Goodyear gatorback serpentine belt. I did not want to take chances with some "off brand" parts (never heard of Koyo or SKF).

I've had two bad experiences with the Goodyear Gatorback Belts on my 88 Corolla. I used them twice and they squealed and glazed my pulleys something fierce in no time. I went with Toyota OE Mitsobushi belts. They lasted much much longer.

For me ...never again.

Why do yu like these Goodyear serp. belts??

Have yu had much experience with them??

LT

[LifeTech]

Originally Posted by kathyricks

You're driving a Japanese vehicle. Toyota's deliver legendary levels of reliability and durability because they are made with parts supplied by Japan's best part's companies. In Japan, the three top Japanese bearing companies are NSK, Koyo and Nachi.

Gates & Goodyear timing kits come with a tensioner / idler bearings made by a second class bearing companies like GMB. These are fine as long as you are satisfied with Ford, Chevy and Chrysler levels of reliability and durability.

GMB is not exactly budget stuff yu know.

Very well known, with decent quality. I would say in the same league as the others mentioned.

My opinion.

LT

[tundraboy27909]

Originally Posted by LifeTech

I've had two bad experiences with the Goodyear Gatorback Belts on my 88 Corolla. I used them twice and they squealed and glazed my pulleys something fierce in no time. I went with Toyota OE Mitsobushi belts. They lasted much much longer.

For me ...never again.

Why do yu like these Goodyear serp. belts??

Have yu had much experience with them??

LT

There are several threads about the Toyota serpentine belt squeal. All I can say is that mine squealed until I replaced it with a goodyear gatorback. No squeal since. I think there are several other members that have had similiar experiences.

[KFlash]

how much did your dealership charge for the water pump. I got a quote for $150.

[longwoodklon]

Originally Posted by LifeTech

I've had two bad experiences with the Goodyear Gatorback Belts on my 88 Corolla. I used them twice and they squealed and glazed my pulleys something fierce in no time. I went with Toyota OE Mitsobushi belts. They lasted much much longer.

For me ...never again.

Why do yu like these Goodyear serp. belts??

Have yu had much experience with them??

LT

Interesting, I've had the opposite experience. My original belt was cracking and squealing at ~70k. Changed to the Gatorback and almost 100k later it's still in good shape and no squealing.
/Mike

[LifeTech]

Originally Posted by longwoodklon

Interesting, I've had the opposite experience. My original belt was cracking and squealing at ~70k. Changed to the Gatorback and almost 100k later it's still in good shape and no squealing.
/Mike

Interesting.
I guess for my application (88 corolla:4AF engine) the opposite held true.

Makes sense.I know that the Gatorback belts have been acclaimed as good stuff, but I just had no luck with two in a row that I used.
Went back to OE.

LT

[KFlash]

As I am still weighing the cost benefit of doing this myself vs the covienience of drop off and pick up from the dealer (yes, I know the massive difference in cost), I called the dealership and was told that if the water pump is not leaking out the weep hole that they won't change it. I'm not questioning the issue of pay now or pay later, but am curious to know from you all if it is possible to change the timing belt without draining the cooling system and pulling the radiator. The guy over the phone quoted 370 for timing belt alone and said they don't have to do anything to the cooling system as long as the water pump shows no signs of leaking. If they were going to replace the water pump, it would be an additional 350. Sound right to you all?

[kathyricks]

"The guy over the phone quoted 370 for timing belt alone" sounds like he's a Gomer Pyle mechanic if he doesn't realize the water pump must be removed and the cooling system drained in order to gain access to the timing belt on the Tundra V8. The radiator should come out too to provide working room and to avoid accidentally hitting and damaging the radiator with tools while working on the belt.

[KFlash]

I just picked up the chain wrench from harbor freight. It is on sale for $9.99 now. I am ordering all my parts from dealership in Glenburnie, Maryland tomorrow. They seem a little more expensive than others, but they are close.

Two questions: How many put the FIPG on the water pump gasket as extra protection or just use the gasket? Without being in there to see them, do the seals pry right out with a screwdriver like they say they do>

Thanks

[ctbale]

just did my water pump and timing belt

you dont have to pull pump.

but your nutz not to

you can change belt without touching pump, but pull pump to change it

pull rad for working space ... its only 4 little bolts.

as far as the water pump gasket, the book says rtv, but fipg would work. but skim coat, not bead. just put the sealant on and use your finger and make it as thin as possible, no matter how thin you make it, you will still see a small bead squeeze out after torquing the pump bolts, showing adequate coverage on the mating surfaces.

cant help on the seals, I have used a 1/8" drill, then a screw to draw them out before, but try screwdriver first.

[kathyricks]

Originally Posted by ctbale

just did my water pump and timing belt
you dont have to pull pump.

You're right and I was mistaken when I said the pump has to come out. Thanks for the correction. So it looks like a mechanic who quotes an ultra cheap price to change the V8 timing belt could do it without replacing the water pump, idlers or tensioner or any seals!

[Sigr6]

So back on topic here:

1) timing belt
2) drive belt
3) water pump
4) tb tensioner

That it?