The $3.95 Toyota (Denso) oil filter made in Thailand DOES come with a prelubed O-ring. The instructions on the box say to apply engine oil to the o-ring anyway and tighten it 3/4 turn using a cap type oil filter wrench.
The '01-'02 Tundra transmission has a mechanical weakness (its exploding planetary gear) so no amount of Bobistheoilguy tranny products (magnafine tranny filters, auto-rx, Amsoil Universal tranny fluid or Mobil 1 ATF will save it from exploding before 500K. Instead of spending money on those gimmick products, you'd be better off buying a spare used '03-'06 tranny from an auto wrecking recycling company like TAP Recycling (800) 765-7100
Oh, the HUMANITY! But of course, Toyota DESIGNED it that way, right? Way to go, talk about standing behind your product. A KNOWN defect but they choose to pass the buck along to the consumer.
They did the same thing on the brakes. And the Seq. A/C systems. All big dollar(~$2k or more) items that they covered up and passed the cost along to us.
So now you're saying, no matter what I do, my '01 Tundra won't make it to 500k. Even if I use the super duper Toyota fluids? So when you quote people with a '85 toyota getting 1,000,000 miles, what does it mean to me? It's pretty obvious the quality of today isn't quite what it was 10-20 years ago.
/Mike
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2005 Silver Sienna LE with 12" Overhead DVD
The '01-'02 Tundra transmission has a mechanical weakness (its exploding planetary gear) so no amount of Bobistheoilguy tranny products (magnafine tranny filters, auto-rx, Amsoil Universal tranny fluid or Mobil 1 ATF will save it from exploding before 500K.
I request you to stop quoting "500K, 1000K" on your threads -- no mechanical component will last that long.
If any vehicle lasted the #s your quote it must have been a random occurance (1 in a million vehicles by someone who knew in and out of a vehicle who did periodic maintainence) and definetly 10-20 yrs ago where engines were tiny. In today's world where there are behemoth engines and insane horsepower across all product lines from all companies, if a engine/tranny lasts 200K, one has done justice to the investment.
Spring loaded to grip. Then use your 3/8 ratchet. An extension if needed.
And there are cheaper variations of this design.
Lisleis the best. This wrench has worked on stuck oil filters when others have failed. Better leverage than the band clamp types wrenches.
The basic stamped metal cap wrenches are garbage. Yu can get one that is a perfect fit to whatever yu are using in the way of oil filters, and they just crap out over the years. They round out over many uses.
Molded Cast metal cap design versions are better. But hard to find in specific sizes. Some are only sold commercialy in a full set of caps..
BTW, the OE filters use a thin metal can and this is why alot of cap wrenches fail, just like the cheaper Purolators and Fram filters.
My Lisle filter wrench will dimple and even crush the OE filter can, but WILL remove it. My premium choices in filters don't do this with the Lisle wrench.
Don't the instructions say:
1) Oil oring
2) Thread on new filter until o-ring makes slightest contact with engine
3) Then tighten 1 full turn
I tighten my Purolator 359 degrees after oring to engine contact is made, mainly because the cheap metal begins to deform at precisely 359.5 degrees. Use the OEM filter, you can get that extra 1 degree of 'tightness'.
/Mike
My Lisle filter wrench will dimple and even crush the OE filter can, but WILL remove it. My premium choices in filters don't do this with the Lisle wrench.
LT
The thing looks like a monster, give it to the GF to loosen Preggo jars.
Oh, the HUMANITY! So now you're saying, no matter what I do, my '01 Tundra won't make it to 500k. Even if I use the super duper Toyota fluids? So when you quote people with a '85 toyota getting 1,000,000 miles, what does it mean to me? It's pretty obvious the quality of today isn't quite what it was 10-20 years ago.
/Mike
Actually, I don't know the whole story behind some of the planetary gear failures on the '01-'02 Tundras. Maybe it's related to driving style or tranny fluid levels. Here's an example of a 300,000 mile 2002 Tundra that still has it's original tranny:
Actually, I don't know the whole story behind some of the planetary gear failures on the '01-'02 Tundras. Maybe it's related to driving style or tranny fluid levels. Here's an example of a 300,000 mile 2002 Tundra that still has it's original tranny:
You mean this guy? Yeah, those of us on TS since the early days clearly remember him. Very high mileage.
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I'll take the mileage trophy right over her please. I have a 2002 Limited 4WD with 152,000 miles and still going. Courier business so 90% freeway miles. Just oil changes @5000-7500mi., 2 new windshields, new front pads, new tires...that's about it! Getting 18-19 MPG always. No, I haven't changed the timing belt yet but I figure I'm cruising at 2000rpm for 8-10 hrs per day so the stress should be minimal.
Only in a Toyota baby.
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But he mentions possible 5000-7500 mile oil changes, so then it's OK to be running 7,500 mile oci's? And no timing belt at 152k. Another post he mentions his first timing belt change at 194k. Maybe we're all wasting our money changing our timing belts at 90k as recommended, maybe toyota should recommend 194k mile intervals?
Point is, it's more a testament to build quality, driving style/conditions, and luck than anything else.
KR, that's an '02. The OD planetary gear issues were with '00/'01 tranny's as far as I know.
It's easy to spot a Toyota extremist. They try to blame drivers for Tranny failures(when it's a KNOWN OD planetary gear problem). They tried doing that with the brakes, 3 years later(when many folks were already out of warranty), they finally put out a TSB. How convenient for Toyota, with so many people out of warranty. C'mon KR, the early trannies(like the brakes) are a TOYOTA DESIGN PROBLEM. Plain and simple.
I would consider myself a Toyota loyalist. I look at Toyota first, before domestics. My '01 has treated me great<knock><knock>. But let's face it, my '01 has sub-par breaks and a tranny that may explode any day. It doesn't owe me anything, but it's not perfect(not close actually). So I will continue to call them like I see them. Toyota is comparing their quality to domestics, they should be comparing to THEIR own past quality, improving quality year over year.
A smart consumer will do the following. Buy the 100k mile extended warranty. After Toyota has found all the bugs in a particular model(probably take 3-4 years, which is about 60-80k miles average here in CA) you check all the TSBs. Spot the high dollar TSBs and PURPOSELY cause that failure. On my '02 Seq., I should have emptied all the oil out of the A/C system, then refilled after it went bad. Brakes, ride them for 20 miles. Tranny, drain the fluid til it fails and then refill and tow to Toyota. If that is how Toyota wants to play, then fine. I didn't do it before, many people say it's dishonest. But it's the only way to get Toyota to cover and take care of THEIR ISSUES.
/Mike
P.S. Sorry for going so far off topic.
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2005 Silver Sienna LE with 12" Overhead DVD
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Toyota and Dealers play dirty when it comes to warranty work.
The objective is to make profit at any cost.
Some posters would like us to believe all the hype regarding Using OE and all.
And love to quote TMS on care and maintenance. That BS is for those not in the know! LT
Well that won't work with me. I was thinking of gifting my wife an Lexus but now I will go to Infiniti/Acura -- that is the price Toyota will pay for putting a lousy Highlander together and pinching my pocket by $33K which now costs $23K (after depreciation). My colleague who works with me, she wanted to buy an RX350, I told her to talk to my brother and then buy it. She has settled with a Infiniti M35 becoz I said all the good things about the VQ lasting forever.
Well that won't work with me. I was thinking of gifting my wife an Lexus but now I will go to Infiniti/Acura -- that is the price Toyota will pay for putting a lousy Highlander together and pinching my pocket by $33K which now costs $23K (after depreciation). My colleague who works with me, she wanted to buy an RX350, I told her to talk to my brother and then buy it. She has settled with a Infiniti M35 becoz I said all the good things about the VQ lasting forever.
Them Acura's are pretty reliable. I have a '92 Legend w/ almost 180k and still running strong (BTW: on M1 10w-30 and Pure1, and Acura genuine syn ATF, KRTB). The MDX or RDX would be a good choice. My sis recently was in an accident and totalled her '02 BMW. I told her to get the MDX but she had to stick w/ the Germs and leased an X3.
I request you to stop quoting "500K, 1000K" on your threads -- no mechanical component will last that long.
That's what most Bobistheoilguy enthusiasts such as yourself think. These enthusiasts don't realize that if 20 members of the Toyota 500,000 mile club were to join the Bobistheoilguy forum and post pictures of the insides of their 500,000 mile engines and transmissions that had never seen a drop of synthetic oil or specialty filters and additives, the moderators would ban them and their posts would be deleted pronto. So censorship of this nature prevents BITOG fans from ever gaining an appreciation of the durability capablities of Toyota drivetrain components when lubricated with conventional oil, convetional filters and no additives.
Fortunately, here at Tundrasolution I can post a 467,000 mile owner testimonial (all original drivetrain components) from one of Tundrasolutions own members without fear of it being banned. See below: (even the 4-speed overdrive automatic transmission on this car had not been overhauled or rebuilt)
While I don't doubt that an engine can last for a very long time on regular dino oil, it is clear that synthetic oil reduces wear. In other words it does add to the longevity of a vehicle.
With oil prices rising and a growing concern over the enviroment my guess would be that we will be seeing manufactures switch to synthetic completely with extended oil changes. And along with extended oil changes we will also see improvement in oil filters.
So just give it a few years and the argument about which is better will just fade away.
That's what most Bobistheoilguy enthusiasts such as yourself think. These enthusiasts don't realize that if 20 members of the Toyota 500,000 mile club were to join the Bobistheoilguy forum and post pictures of the insides of their 500,000 mile engines and transmissions that had never seen a drop of synthetic oil or specialty filters and additives, the moderators would ban them and their posts would be deleted pronto. So censorship of this nature prevents BITOG fans from ever gaining an appreciation of the durability capablities of Toyota drivetrain components when lubricated with conventional oil, convetional filters and no additives.
Fortunately, here at Tundrasolution I can post a 467,000 mile owner testimonial (all original drivetrain components) from one of Tundrasolutions own members without fear of it being banned. See below: (even the 4-speed overdrive automatic transmission on this car had not been overhauled or rebuilt)
Give a person enough rope.......
KR,
If you spent even 1 minute searching you would find he also has an '02 Sequoia with following mods/issues:
Amsoil Eao Oil Filter test results: incredible!
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hi i have an02 seq installed the amsoil dual filtration and remote kit, with the be90 and sdf15 which is eao15 now and i do oil change twice a year running on full synthetic, these set up added 1.5 quarts of oil now my capacity is 8 quarts
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So again, the question is what in the heck does his 1981 Celica have to do with our Tundras? And do you really expect us to believe that he has been running ONLY Toyota filters/oil at 3k intervals for the life of the vehicle? Give us a break.
/Mike
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2001 2WD Silver Tundra: 4x4 TRD springs, Daystar 1", Carson AAL, red/blue Bilsteins, 265/75 Revo's, IS kit(minus bumper) and rims(hand polished), RF851X amp, Alpine HU, JL 6.5"XR comps, Qlogic with JL 8W3V2 subs. 185k miles and counting......
2005 Silver Sienna LE with 12" Overhead DVD
When yu quote your sources, yu fail to give us the whole picture. We are smarter than yu think.
Toyota recognizes the benefits of any API Synthetic oil. Period.
And, 5w20 Genuine Toyota engine oilIS a synthetic.(labled as such)
Kathyricks, I truly think that YOU have fallen into "The Trap".
Not the 99.9% of US here at TS.
Much of your mechanical aptitude is on the mark, yet yu can be very slanted in other areas. And it appears that much of it is motivated by some agenda. Whether personal or professional in spirit.
Re: WOW! Fram vs Toyota oil filters
And it appears that much of it is motivated by some agenda. Whether personal or professional in spirit.
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