Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
the solution is a hydrogen vehicle, where the hydrogen is in tanks, refillable from a station. the hydrogen can only be produced from a non-fuel comsuming process, such as solar or waterfalls, to make any pratical sense. right that you cant make energy from energy and have zero losses, but the trick in this equation is to make the hyrogen from a heretofore underutilized source.
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
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the solution is a hydrogen vehicle, where the hydrogen is in tanks
Being a former truck driver who delivered hydrogen, there is no way I would ever drive a car that contained a hydrogen tank. It's not like going to your corner station and filling up. If you fill a tank too fast, it can and will explode. You can't tell if hydrogen is on fire...until you start to smoke!
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Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
With bottled water running nearly twice the cost of gas I removed by HHO generator. I just got through installing my flux capacitor, but I have run in to a small problem in the lack of predictable lightening strikes at the nearest clock tower.
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
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Originally Posted by Yamhill John
Don't want to break anyone's rice bowl here, but if I remember
my physics this doesn't seem very plausible. Consider that you have to put energy into water, two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom, to break it down into hydrogen and oxygen. With energy loss because of system thermodynamic inefficiency and Newton's old physical principle of conservation of energy, the amount of energy produced in burning the hydrogen would be less than that expended to generate it. When hydrogen is burned (a low tech word for oxidation), each hydrogen atom combines with two oxygen atoms to make water again.
If we ever get to a hydrogen energy system, we will be using a lot more energy to disassociate hydrogen from water than we will get back from burning the hydrogen.
No, I'm not a physicist, just a dumb engineer (the kind who applies physics to make things work) who took physics and thermodynamics a long time ago.
The chemistry faculty where I work agree. Its going to take yet to be developed technology to extract the hydrogen with less energy than the hydrogen will provide. Same applies for fuel cell vehicles.
You want to be the next Bill Gates, start working on a solution.
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
While you can't replace gasoline with hho, you can supplement it creating a hybrid vehicle and increase gas mileage to a minute degree. It does work, but you have to use better methods than what those backyard yahoos are trying. There's a lot of research being done on the private level with this technology, but it's going to take a lot more developing to get worthwhile gains from it. Up to now the old theory "you can't get more out than you put in" stands true. If you google "Stanley Meyer", you'll find he has developed technology to achieve worthwhile energy gains from hho - he holds several patents with this technology.
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This guy's cells are very small and run on straight DC voltage from the battery. If you had a larger cell and used pulsed DC voltage, you'd get better results. This technology does work if implemented properly - I'm dabbling with this on my old corolla and I'm seeing promising results. A "one size fits all" kit is not the answer and you have to engineer it to work with your car's fuel injection system, so the ECM doesn't adjust to compensate for the extra O2.
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1986 Mustang GT - the stereo is under the hood
1990 Corolla - cause it was really cheap
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
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Originally Posted by throbinskin
would like to see more of this ....... hopefully someone can get this to work on the tundra
Newer vehicles are harder to supplement with brown's gas. Older vehicles fuel injection systems don't have the correction capability newer obd2 systems do, and are therefor easier to trick.
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1986 Mustang GT - the stereo is under the hood
1990 Corolla - cause it was really cheap
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
One of the guys here at work put one on his Saturn back in January. He was convinced it was going to double his gas mileage, because it says so on the internet, and if it is on the internet it has to be true, right? Yea, right. Well, it did not double his gas mileage, in fact, if it did anything at all, maybe added a mile or 2 per gallon, and his gets 28 to 30 anyway, so on a vehicle getting 14 to 16, I doubt you would even notice. I would not put one on my truck. It may have cleaned out his engine though, seems to run better.
If it were true, they would be sold in every Walmart, AutoZone, etc.
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Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
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Originally Posted by gary_william
the solution is a hydrogen vehicle, where the hydrogen is in tanks, refillable from a station.
this is correct. I remember they have been working on this concept at least 10 years ago. hydrogen, unlike gasoline, is plenty available and the byproduct of the combustion is water. this is the best and easiest part. the problem was/is to make the refuelling safe and, of course, tons of money that need to be invested to build many hydrogen refuelling stations in order to make the fuel available (otherwise no one would switch to hydrogen). that was the problem back then in Europe, which is smaller and denser than US, so if they can't get it to work ($$$ wise) there, no way it would work here.
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
Won't work - can't work - impossible to work.
It's called "the law of conservation of energy".
Energy in can not equal more than energy out. Think of it this way:
1) You break water down into hydrogen and oxygen using power from your car's electrical system. This is the Energy In stage.
2) You recombine the Hydrogen and Oxygen in the engine compartment. This is the Energy Out stage.
Whatever you put in, that's the most you can get out.
There is a slight cooling benefit from pumping hydrogen into the cylinder, but it's pretty small.
If you don't like my physics explanation (which is 100% correct btw), think of it this way. If it really was as simple as adding a few hundred dollars worth of crap to your truck and gaining 2mpg, why wouldn't Toyota being doing it at the factory? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
Re: How many want to try a Hydrogen converter on their Tundras?
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