i am an engineer, just not a a degreed one. i'll take real world experience over textbook theories any day of the week. i have seen first hand degreed engineers who can't do half of what i can do with all their schooling. not to mention that most all the truly successful people i know in designing/manufacturing are self taught. the bottom line is that the job of an engineer is to make life easier for the people who aren't smart enough to do it themselves. there are only a few engineering practices that really need a degree behind them (chemical and nuclear come to mind).
this is a typical attitude that i deal with all the time from contractors, design techs that think they can do an engineer's job, and even contract framers who think they know everything because they've sweat out a few bullets with a nailer. tell me, who's liability is it when a building falls down and kills a couple of people because of an undersized framing member? do they call the framer? engineering is a profession with a vetting process and licensure for a reason (and it's so cocky b@$tards who think they know/learned everything from hard work don't go throwing stuff up with no basis other than their 'feeling' about how sturdy it is and endangering people without some serious liability for it). everyone has faults and there are incompetent engineers just like there are incompetent doctors and lawyers. that doesn't mean that engineering is worthless.
self-taught people usually have passion, which you can't teach and for which there is no substitute.
sorry... had to jump on that. this is from a degreed engineer with years of hands-on construction experience.
can you tell me why standard stick framing stud spacing is 16" OC?
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btw, show me pictures, specs, and testing results that show any gain from one of these systems and i'll believe you. then drive it for the 200k miles my yota will last and tell me the lifetime cost vs. savings & hassle and i might buy one.
whatever you do day-to-day, you're an opinionated internet jockey here just like the rest.
i have a great respect for the practical knowledge gained from building things with your own hands. i built my own house with my dad and a friend and i can guarantee you that the quality from top to bottom is better than 90% of what 'pros' put up, but i don't think builders/plumbers/electricians/framers/roofers, etc. are worthless.
what i think is funny is how ready to believe this crap people are when hydrogen production by electrolysis and IC engines have coexisted for over 100 years, with engineers, tinkerers, and mechanics working on every aspect of them and not one system has been tested, proven, and sold to the masses (who would of course take the no-brainer plunge and buy one). i guess all it takes is some expensive(ish) gas and people lose their minds.
try this on:
Schadewald, Robert J. (2008), Worlds of Their Own - A Brief History of Misguided Ideas: Creationism, Flat-Earthism, Energy Scams, and the Velikovsky Affair, Xlibris, ISBN 978-1-4636-0435-1
it's covered directly, but it think it's funny that it's in the same boat with 'flat-earthism,' telling...
next we're going to see a thread on how the income tax is illegal.
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can you tell me why standard stick framing stud spacing is 16" OC?
Well, I always assumed that it had something to do with drywall sheets being 48" wide, and 16" being a multiple of that. That's probably no where near close to the answer. It also makes it where you can slip sideways between the studs when moving around inside of a house that is being framed.
There ya go. I believe that puts the score for those that have actually installed the system to:
Increased MPG = 3
Naysayers = 0
Another point on the conservation of energy argument that I would like to make relates to the amount of energy needed to create the spark through the ignition system. By some accounts, it takes more energy to create the spark than you will get back in return. Ok, I won't argue with that but what happens when you add the spark to fuel and air. Might it be possible that the introduction to Hydrogen to the air fuel mixture will some how create a more efficient burn, creating more MPG ?
BTW pass the popcorn DPKTM. That's what I love about this board, 90% entertainment 10% usefull.
So if I post that my neighbor, my brother, my milkman and my plumber all installed one and got zero improvement the score is:
Increased MPG = 3
Naysayers = 4
We win! Whoopie! Yippie! End of story, right?!?!
Give me a break!
oooooohhhhh, I get it. You are the Borg and these HHO things are like those little appliances on Captain P's head to help him "assimilate". Makes perfect sense now. Well, per the Captain Ahab speech, I draw the line HERE! No Farther!
[quote=d-lo;1098672]btw, show me pictures, specs, and testing results that show any gain from one of these systems and i'll believe you. then drive it for the 200k miles my yota will last and tell me the lifetime cost vs. savings & hassle and i might buy one.
No one is trying to sell you anything.
Some people have installed a hydrogen generator on thier vehicles and posted thier personal observation that they got a little better gas mileage. If you don't believe it fine, what's the big deal.
I suppose if I made a statement that the sun was coming up in the morning the naysayers would jump on board with thier "No picture never happened" or "prove it through science" attitude and want proof. I myself will assume that since the sun has been coming up over the horizon for the past 4+ billion years, it's going to do it one more time. Why do some of the engineer types spew thier brains all over the key board trying to tell you why something won't work rather than how it could work? Because it's easier.
I’ am curious of how it looks to see if I can tackle this myself. Some pictures would be great for a visual person like my self. And in know way I’m desecrating your word.
Wow. Still no pics or evidence? no one who installed and drove this contraption more than 28 miles? We are all suckers for continuing to entertain the people making these claims. Can anyone come forward with proof? Wheres 23mpg guy? I think hes entertained by how long this thread has gone on on a simple BS statement. He posted the same info three times? care to chime n and elaborate? If not then we can all just rest assured its just a coffee can and a waterjug. Maybe i'll put a gatorade cooler and a potbellied woodburnin stove in mine and claim 60mpg after driving 13 miles. Downhill. With the engine off. Oh I almost forgot......... Bump
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I suppose if I made a statement that the sun was coming up in the morning the naysayers would jump on board with thier "No picture never happened" or "prove it through science" attitude and want proof. I myself will assume that since the sun has been coming up over the horizon for the past 4+ billion years, it's going to do it one more time.
this analogy fails miserably.
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Why do some of the engineer types spew thier brains all over the key board trying to tell you why something won't work rather than how it could work? Because it's easier.
If you want to believe in something, go to church (or install a hydrogen generator).
If it doesn't make sense on a very basic level, chances are an engineer will point that out.
This thread started with a tired old question about a scam system. If an engineer points out that it is ridiculous, a bunch of people jump on them and try to discredit engineering instead of trying to understand what is being said. Why? I'll leave that one up to you.
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If you want to believe in something, go to church (or install a hydrogen generator).
If it doesn't make sense on a very basic level, chances are an engineer will point that out.
This thread started with a tired old question about a scam system. If an engineer points out that it is ridiculous, a bunch of people jump on them and try to discredit engineering instead of trying to understand what is being said. Why? I'll leave that one up to you.
Have you viewed these sights? Interesting.........
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You don't need a break, you need a sense of humor.
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No one is trying to sell you anything. 
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