** Real Story on TRD S/C!! **

[2DaMax]

That's probably why TRD37 never had problems, its installed by people who knows how to do it right. 10 miles to a gallon, damn! My 88 Iroc Z had that kind of gas mileage.

Maybe the s/c isn't the power adder I should be looking into. Turbo sounds like a more forgiving alternative as far as gas consumption is concerned. NOS would be to but very unforgiving to the engine and can wear the engine out a lot quicker than any power adder.

Originally posted by trd37
......I got Sterling to install it they have some pretty good techs .......

[jbtoy]

Originally posted by v8Toilet
Patience they just came out!

Agreed. But, we are so hungry to have the details. Waited too long for the release. We are expecting that TRD did extensive homework on the possible combinations that Tundra owners might have, e.g. 4x2 or 4x4 setups in drive line. Basically, what is the performance gain, without further modifications to the drivetrain. Do we need upgrades to the tranny and rear axle?
This option is great. The $64K question, will it satisfy the "thirst"
we have/need for power and be friendly to live with? Let's hope.... time will tell! Keep us posted folks... Thanks.

[bkoneski47]

I know this is kind of off subject, but if I'm planning on adding the Supercharger, should I leave in my K&N FIPK kit as the S/C needs more air. I know this topic has been exhausted but it didn't talk about future S/C installs. I was debating whether or not to put it back to the stock intake.

[Lightning]

I follow the Lightning boards, and it looks like they're aware of the upcoming new breed of supercharged Tundras! Get those Tundras tuned and ready for battle, as the Lightning is looking for a full-size playmate! And soon, the Dodge SRT Ram will join in the sandbox. This sounds like fun!

[ausk9-0]

Lightning, mind telling me how much you're getting the Boss
Hoss for? You had better hold on tight for that ride

[TundraMan]

SHRIKE, I've been keeping in touch with Pete Thomas and Steve Ganz re: your S/C install as mine would have been Carson Toyota's 2nd install (yours being the 1st) on the V8 and they said so far they haven't been able to resolve your problem. Until they resolve your problem they advised me to wait. When you get any specifics please let us know. So far they say it idles well, but when the rpm's climb, up to 2500 rpm's they say it sounds like it's running on 6 cylinders! It may be a bad piggyback ECU or wiring harness. Well, I hope they work out all the 'bugs' for you. I'm equally anxious to have mine done. Good luck!

TundraMan

[twowheeler]

Check it out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=1842958943

[2DaMax]

Sorry if this upsets anyone but a supercharged Tundra has no chance against the Lightning (380hp) nor the Ram SRT (500hp). I have already seen a Lightning with NOS. The Tundra engine displacement doesn't even come close to both of the trucks (Lightning SVT - 330cid, Ram SRT - 503cid). Sure the Tundra is a few hundred pounds lighter but that probably won't make a difference. All 3 trucks have good aerodynamics.

Still it'll be fun to put away a few other cars or trucks. And I still love my Tundra regardless.

Originally posted by Lightning
I follow the Lightning boards, and it looks like they're aware of the upcoming new breed of supercharged Tundras! Get those Tundras tuned and ready for battle, as the Lightning is looking for a full-size playmate! And soon, the Dodge SRT Ram will join in the sandbox. This sounds like fun!

[SHRIKE]

Thanks Tundra man.
I hope they work out all the 'bugs' for the rest of the world.
I don't know but it sounds like the compu can't direct the signal correctly.Is it the chip?
Just a guess .Afterall master Steve said that I was a masterconfuser :-)

[DevinSixtySeven]

Stay far, far away from the dealership in Boulder. Likewise do not touch Stevinson East with a ten mile pole. Try Stevinson West in Golden, TsToy has had good experiences with them, and their service department was very helpful over the phone, if very busy.

-Sean

Originally posted by edrizza
O.K., with all this talk about how fast the blower actually makes these Tundras, I get the feeling I'm the only one not buying one for street racing at sea level. I live in Colorado, and tow a 3000 lb tent trailer and load another 1000 lbs of trail bike & ATV & gear and fill the passenger compartment (9-10,000 lbs gross vehicle weight), then drive from 1 mi above sea level to 2 mi above sea level. I need more power just to get all that stuff up into the Mountains! Is there anyone in the Denver Metro area who's considering adding the blower to their Tundra or knows someone who already has? What dealer would you trust to do it right? I'm not about to take it into my local dealer! Any insight is appreciated. If you want to send an e-mail, my address is in my profile.

[TundraMan]

The dealer has no more S/C kits available or they would have swapped S/C ECU's out to check. They were hoping that my kit was in their possesion so they could have tryed that. I had them deliver the S/C to me directly. Oh well, hopefully they will successfully get your S/C running correctly. I have confidence in Carson!

Patiently waiting for my call from Carson Toyota,
TundraMan

Originally posted by SHRIKE
Thanks Tundra man.
I hope they work out all the 'bugs' for the rest of the world.
I don't know but it sounds like the compu can't direct the signal correctly.Is it the chip?
Just a guess .Afterall master Steve said that I was a masterconfuser :-)

[toolbox]

I've been reading this thread with interest. No doubt, if I had the cash, I'd consider getting the supercharger...just to be different and for the rush when I hit the pedal. A couple of points I'd like to make to throw gas on the fire. First, gas milage. If you are worried about fuel economy, you shouldn't be driving a truck, get a Corolla or other small car. The bone-stock Tundra (and I'm talking a V6) goes through way more gas than a small car. So, that aside, you want to bolt on a blower and not have your milage impacted?!? I guess after spending 4500.00 you'd have no more money left for gas! I said it months ago, and I'll say it again: all other things being equal (drive train, aerodynamics, etc) the only way to get more power is to burn MORE GAS. That's what a supercharger does...help the motor to burn more fuel! If you want more power, you will generally burn more gas. Unless you cut down on engine friction or vibration (by balancing / blueprinting), reduce drivetrain losses (change the transmission, run skinny high pressure tires) , drop some weight (swap steel body panels for aluminum, use thinner glass, pull out the seats, etc) or improve the aerodynamics (lower it, full air management, fill the bed, etc) you won't improve performance unless you burn more gas. Sorry, no free lunch. Where does performance live? Primarily it's power to weight ratio. You want lots of power in a light chassis. The Tundra weighs something like 4100lbs. The V8 normally makes about 240HP. Roughly, 17lbs per HP. The SVT Lightning? It's motor makes 380 HP, the truck is 4600lbs. That's 12lbs per HP to move. So, the blower needs to add about 100HP to the Tundra to get the power/weight ratio even competitive. I don't know if the blower is making 340 HP... it could probably do more. I think the Ford runs at 8 PSI boost, and the Tundra is less than 5PSI.

Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is the Tundra is a damn fine truck. It's hauls a lot of stuff around and it will run smooth and last a long time. It will never run a <10s 1/4 mile, corner like a Porsche, of have the gas milage of a Corolla. Don't be upset if it doesn't, even if you spend thousands of dollars.

PS. Don't get me wrong, I love fast cars. If I wanted to make the Tundra fly, I'd pull all the Toyota drivetrain out (sorry), and drop in a Chevy 454 with a 6-71 blower. Depending, over 500HP, easy.

[bandit67]

Thanks Sean (DeepStealth) regarding which dealer to do the blower installation. I have been in contact with Stevinson West, but wanted some input since I have no firsthand experience with them. I do like the info. I've gotten over the phone from them, so I think they'll be the ones to do the install. I already know about Boulder - spent the first year of ownership trying to get brakes and I/S wheel/tire vibrations fixed by them - finally had to involve some regional Toyota bigshots to get everything straightened out & done right.
-Ed

[Breathing Borla]

Originally posted by toolbox
I've been reading this thread with interest. No doubt, if I had the cash, I'd consider getting the supercharger...just to be different and for the rush when I hit the pedal. A couple of points I'd like to make to throw gas on the fire. First, gas milage. If you are worried about fuel economy, you shouldn't be driving a truck, get a Corolla or other small car. The bone-stock Tundra (and I'm talking a V6) goes through way more gas than a small car. So, that aside, you want to bolt on a blower and not have your milage impacted?!? I guess after spending 4500.00 you'd have no more money left for gas! I said it months ago, and I'll say it again: all other things being equal (drive train, aerodynamics, etc) the only way to get more power is to burn MORE GAS. That's what a supercharger does...help the motor to burn more fuel! If you want more power, you will generally burn more gas. Unless you cut down on engine friction or vibration (by balancing / blueprinting), reduce drivetrain losses (change the transmission, run skinny high pressure tires) , drop some weight (swap steel body panels for aluminum, use thinner glass, pull out the seats, etc) or improve the aerodynamics (lower it, full air management, fill the bed, etc) you won't improve performance unless you burn more gas. Sorry, no free lunch. Where does performance live? Primarily it's power to weight ratio. You want lots of power in a light chassis. The Tundra weighs something like 4100lbs. The V8 normally makes about 240HP. Roughly, 17lbs per HP. The SVT Lightning? It's motor makes 380 HP, the truck is 4600lbs. That's 12lbs per HP to move. So, the blower needs to add about 100HP to the Tundra to get the power/weight ratio even competitive. I don't know if the blower is making 340 HP... it could probably do more. I think the Ford runs at 8 PSI boost, and the Tundra is less than 5PSI.

Anyhow, the point I'm trying to make is the Tundra is a damn fine truck. It's hauls a lot of stuff around and it will run smooth and last a long time. It will never run a <10s 1/4 mile, corner like a Porsche, of have the gas milage of a Corolla. Don't be upset if it doesn't, even if you spend thousands of dollars.

PS. Don't get me wrong, I love fast cars. If I wanted to make the Tundra fly, I'd pull all the Toyota drivetrain out (sorry), and drop in a Chevy 454 with a 6-71 blower. Depending, over 500HP, easy.

I understand your points and they are good ones, however you have some small errors in your post. the weight of the tundra in your post is incorrect (they absolute lightest way you can go with a v8 is 4276), the boost psi for the tundra is also incorrect (it's 7psi not 5psi). Sorry for the nit pic but we need to keep it as acruate as possible for maximum benefit of the group.

Would you really drop a crappy chevy motor in a new tundra?

The fuel mileage observations made by myself and 2damax were stated because the guy with the charger had a drop of 3mpg without even stepping on it at all yet, as he stated. I do understand the more power more gas deal, just not 3 mpg without even stepping on it yet. What's he gonna get when he steps on it, 7mpg, charger or no charger, that sucks. Even the new viper ram will get better than that with a 8.3 L v10 and 500 hp and 500 ft lbs.

Later,
BB

Sorry to nit pick, just wanted people to keep it straight as we figure out if this charger is real deal or not, so far I'm not impressed for 4500 bucks. but still very interested in longer term results.

[toolbox]

Nit-picking is good...it keeps the facts up front where they belong. The figure I posted (4100) was from memory, as were most of the other figures. The boost pressure I was sure was <5PSI, but that may have been very old data.

Would I drop a crappy Chevy motor into a new Tundra? Let's clarify that statement. I've built 2 Chevy motors from the bare-block on up, and worked on maybe 10 others. They aren't crappy. Mind you, there was not much "stock" in them. The block was standard Chevy, but the pistons were TRW, the rods Carrillo, etc. The point I'm making, is that hod-rodders have been making big power (and reliable) from SB and BB Chev's for years. It's easy and very well documented. And at the 4-500HP level, the motor will last forever. For comparison, a NEW IN THE CRATE GM 7.4l (454 cid) Part #12568774 cranks out 425 HP and 500 ft/lbs torque. Price? $4600.00 Too big? buy a ZZ4 small block for 3500.00. It makes 350 HP. Mind you, you still have to adapt it to the Tundra drive train, but you get the idea. The other point is, no, I really don't want to drop a new motor in my Tundra, the current motor does a great job without spending over 4K for a blower. If I wanted a speed machine, I would not have bought a Tundra. There are a lot of folks out there that pour thousands of $$$ into their vehicles trying to make it do something it was never designed for. Just because you spend the money, doesn't mean you deserve the performance.

Gas Mileage: You are going to get a drop right off the bat because the motor has to turn the blower all the time. You think an A/C compressor causes drag? Try a blower. Way worse.