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This is a discussion thread titled "This is one of the few oil additive that really does work.", within the Engine & Drivetrain forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
Alan,
I don't agree with your take on this. Yes, they settled. zMax agrees to pay $1 million dollars in refunds. zMax agrees that they won't use some of their previous claims. That does not tell me that this snake oil is any good, just that they got caught lying about it.
"The settlement requires Speedway and Oil-Chem to mail letters offering refunds to individuals who purchased zMax through their website or during telemarketing campaigns. It also prohibits the defendants from claiming that zMax increases gas mileage in general or by specific amounts; reduces engine wear; eliminates start-up engine wear; reduces corrosion; extends engine life; or lowers emissions.
"The settlement also states that the commission will not challenge the company’s right to make certain other statements which Oil-Chem provided documentation to support." http://www.lubereport.com/e_article0...ynqMH,a101R1PT
X-1R?...there's not a single word on their web page telling what it really is nor how it really works. It says that it's been tested, but what were the tests and what were the results? I did find one reference on another site (and can't vouch for it's veracity), "... The results of the X-1R test made it back to that company, and sent a rather entertaining letter back to the mechanic. Currently of interest is X-1Rs latest claim of being NASA approved. In a sense they are telling the truth, one of their products has won an award from the Space Awareness Alliance, however, this product is a lubricant for the Shuttle Crawler called "Crawler Track Lubricant" and not the X-1R oil additive that gets promoted to the automotive public." http://www.technilube.com/sections/test/add_main.htm
If you want better oil, buy better oil. There is nothing you can buy of the shelf of Autozone or Pep Boys, or most internet sites, that will help anything except remove the bulge from your wallet.
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I think their main motivation for settling is the fact that if you've ever fought the US Government (and I have), it often doesn't matter if you are right or wrong but that they have practically unlimited resources to do battle with you and they will/do use those resources. While maybe there is a "principles conflict" to giving in, I can say that "in the real world" sometimes the best thing to do is to say "yes, you're right - I'm sorry" so that you can stand out of their way and get out from in front of the steamroller. Otherwise it's like the story of catching monkeys by putting peanuts in a small box with a hole in it. You make the hole small enough so that they can't get their hands out with the peanut in it, but they won't let go either. So they're trapped. Businesses don't live long in that scenario either.
Some of their (the additive maker's) statements were a little overstated - I'd never say that they'd increase my mileage 10% (guaranteed!). That's kind of crazy. Too, some of the other stuff was a bit "exuberant" in their claims so maybe they did deserve to get slapped.
They both will help reduce deposits and when you reduce deposits you reduce wear. I can't say that I have personal wear numbers from oil analysis when using the stuff - as I don't - but I have seen that it does keep your engine cleaner and racers that do use both products seem to like the stuff and keep using it.
But I'd just as soon go to a better overall end product like synthetic and just pay for it.
I'm kind of busy with my own engine right now testing Amsoil vs Toyota/Lexus filters with Mobil1 oil, but when I've gone through that I'd be willing to run an additive vs non-additive cycle just to take the numbers. The biggest gain to using these additives is the avoidance of sludge and buildup - great if you get fuel advantages also (even if it's a couple percent).
The Chairman of Lear uses a similar product for aircraft engines (and he has seen the results also) and uses that in his own personal aircraft. The main benefit is cleanliness and stability of the overall oil (mixed) at higher temps (localized or not).
Alan
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Originally Posted by KLS
Alan,
I don't agree with your take on this. Yes, they settled. zMax agrees to pay $1 million dollars in refunds. zMax agrees that they won't use some of their previous claims. That does not tell me that this snake oil is any good, just that they got caught lying about it.
"The settlement requires Speedway and Oil-Chem to mail letters offering refunds to individuals who purchased zMax through their website or during telemarketing campaigns. It also prohibits the defendants from claiming that zMax increases gas mileage in general or by specific amounts; reduces engine wear; eliminates start-up engine wear; reduces corrosion; extends engine life; or lowers emissions.
"The settlement also states that the commission will not challenge the company’s right to make certain other statements which Oil-Chem provided documentation to support." http://www.lubereport.com/e_article0...ynqMH,a101R1PT
X-1R?...there's not a single word on their web page telling what it really is nor how it really works. It says that it's been tested, but what were the tests and what were the results? I did find one reference on another site (and can't vouch for it's veracity), "... The results of the X-1R test made it back to that company, and sent a rather entertaining letter back to the mechanic. Currently of interest is X-1Rs latest claim of being NASA approved. In a sense they are telling the truth, one of their products has won an award from the Space Awareness Alliance, however, this product is a lubricant for the Shuttle Crawler called "Crawler Track Lubricant" and not the X-1R oil additive that gets promoted to the automotive public." http://www.technilube.com/sections/test/add_main.htm
If you want better oil, buy better oil. There is nothing you can buy of the shelf of Autozone or Pep Boys, or most internet sites, that will help anything except remove the bulge from your wallet.
Re: This is one of the few oil additive that really does work.
Hi All,
I have used Xado products on both of my cars and with great results. The engine runs much smoother and also found noticeable fuel efficiency.
The essence of XADO technology is the discovery of the process REVITALIZATION which changed the ordinary approach to repair and gave new opportunities in operation of machines and different mechanisms.
Here are a couple of links which help you: Xado products Xado FAQ
The FAQ also has a video describing how Xado works.
Thanks
That website doesn't teach you how durable Toyota engines can be if the owner simply uses conventional oil and changes it every 3-6 months or 3000-5000 miles and uses Toyota oil and air filters (and performs all other needed preventive maintenance on time).
Here is the factual evidence about how long Toyota engines can last WITHOUT using additives, or synthetic oils or aftermarket filters or spending money on oil analysis:
These owners are not unique - thousands of other Toyota owners have surpassed the 400,000 mile mark without spending money on fancy oils, filters, additives or oil analysis.
Re: This is one of the few oil additive that really does work.
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Originally Posted by costa_dude
Hi All,
I have used Xado products on both of my cars and with great results. The engine runs much smoother and also found noticeable fuel efficiency.
The essence of XADO technology is the discovery of the process REVITALIZATION which changed the ordinary approach to repair and gave new opportunities in operation of machines and different mechanisms.
Here are a couple of links which help you: Xado products Xado FAQ
The FAQ also has a video describing how Xado works.
Thanks
Re: This is one of the few oil additive that really does work.
Companies spend millions (billions?) of dollars formulating their oils just right. Why, if these additives where so good, would they not simply add them to their base stock and have the best oil on the market. Besides the engine engineers design the engines to use nothing but approved motor oil and often if you ask one of the engineers they will tell you "don't put that carp in your engine"
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