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Topic: Driveline vibration.
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I just lifted my truck in the front with daystar spacers and put some add a leafs in the back and noticed a slight shaking between 20 to 30 mph either slowing down or speeding up. Could my drive shaft be out of alignment? I had the wheels aligned afterwords and hoped it would fix this, but didnt. Should I take it in, and if so, are they going to give me any crap about having my truck lifted? I wonder if it voids the warranty in anyway. If so, I'll remove the lift then take it in
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c7fx,
I have a very similar issue... I get, uh.. how to describe it, an almost "gritty" vibration that I can feel in the floorboard and gas pedal under mild acceleration... it seems most severe at about 40 mph on a minor incline. In my case, it does *not* dissapear when shifting into 4wd. It really is pretty mild (it's not rattling ice cubes in the cupholder as someone else mentioned on this thread), but vibration is the enemy of machines and I plan to keep this truck for a long, long time. I think the problem is related to the driveline as if I shift into neutral at speed, the vibration goes away... even if I rev the motor. The only other problem with the truck I've noticed so far is the passenger side door is harder than it should be to close. I love the truck, even with those two minor issues.
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Originally posted by nj1266:
I think some of you guys complain too much. Please go to the NHTSA web site and look at the complaints for a 2000 Tundra vs. the complaints for a 2000 Silverado, Ford, or Dodge and then you will thank your lucky stars that you are driving a Tundra. The Tundra is not perfect, but it is the best out of the others available.
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Ever factor in that there are more GM, Ford and Dodge truck owners out there and NHTSA website complaints would reflect that?
I don't think anyone is complaining here nor are they acting in a paranoid manner. We're all just trying to figure out our vibration / shudder problems.
Please continue to post your vibration or shudder problems and dis-regard nj1266 response to those who do. This thread has been doing very well and has provided lots of info... the more people who post they have vibration or take-off shudder the more we know we're not alone and perhaps it is related to certain year models etc.
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I think some of you guys complain too much. Please go to the NHTSA web site and look at the complaints for a 2000 Tundra vs. the complaints for a 2000 Silverado, Ford, or Dodge and then you will thank your lucky stars that you are driving a Tundra. The Tundra is not perfect, but it is the best out of the others available.
As for taking the truck to the dealer, that is a complete waste of time. Dealers are afraid to innovate and try new things. Guess who finally helped solve the vibration issue on 2000 Tundras? It was DJ, from this very site. It was not the dealer. DJ experimented and found the best alignment specs to solve the vibration problem. If you know of a good alignment shop, take your truck to them and pay the damned $50 and get it done right.
If you really want to balance your tries well you need a GSP7900 machine. This machine simulates driving on real roads and will reject a tire if it is out of round. It will cost you 18.50 per tire, but it will for sure solve your vibration problem if it is caused by the wheel/tire combo.
If your brake rotors are warpping, I have a solution for you.
First, make sure that you use the parking brake everytime you park.
Second, If you rotors are warpped, see if the dealer can give you new rotors rather than turn the old ones. If he gives them to you, fine. If not, then buy a new set of rotors. Take the rotors and get them CRYO TREATED. Send them to
www.frozenrotors.com This process makes rotors more resistant to warpping and cracking. I use it on my race car and it works. Do it on your truck and you will never have a warpped rotor again.
Stop waiting around for Toyota to provide you will all the answers. They will not. They should, but they will push you around, just like any other corporation would. Take the bull by the horns and start solving your own problems. you paid 25K on a truck, a few hundred dollars more are not going to kill you.
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If you would have read more carefully my post, you would have noticed that only trucks 1 and 3 had real 'problems' and only truck 1 had significant problems. Truck 3 seemed more prone to edge pinging, but that's not really a problem so much as normal engine variance. So, no, I didn't say 4 out of 4 trucks had problems. One out of 4 had a 'serious' problem which may not be bad for GM (I don't know) but it doesn't seem up to Toyota's reputation.
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nj1266,
I agree with you to some degree but since I have recently test driven 4 Tundras I can tell you that there is a real difference between brand new trucks.
All the trucks had about 13 miles on them. Here's what I found:
Truck 1> The steering wheel wasn't centered when going straight down the highway and at speeds about 50 the truck shook enough to rattle the center console( bench seat). I would not want a truck that came from the factory with the shakes even though the service department could probably fix it.
Truck 2> Engine was more prone to pinging than the others I drove. This wasn't full blown pinging, but the edge of pinging where you can hear a slight ping but know that the engine is retarding timing to manage it. (Part throttle at highway speeds really exhibits the 'problem')
Truck 3> The leather seats creaked a lot and there was some clicking that sounded like a switch turning on and off. It had power seats and might have been related to that, but the clicking was very annoying.
Truck 4> More or less perfect. No pinging (engine felt a little stronger). No shaking.
So, maybe trucks won't be perfect, but it would be nice if they were more consistently good.
Ummm you went and drove 4 different new Tundras? Ok... and you found 4 totally different problems with all four of them? Either Toyota has major problems with not building consistent good products or you are way too sensitive to all things that are going on witht the truck. I tend to believe in the latter. Our Tundras are machines... and its a freaking truck. I totally sympathasize with all of you who have had brake problems and rattle problems and other problems. I am not discounting that. I have also had my brakes (front and back) replaced under warranty after 23K miles. It seems to be okay for now.. after 3000 miles. I'll have them look at it again at 35K before the warranty expires. I have a dash rattle that wont go away. You know what, its still the best damn truck out there. Except for those who are having brake problems every 5000 miles or serious vibrations tthat never go away I think we need to not be so sensitive to every little thing.
Regarding the engines in the Camry, ES300 and the oil sludge problem... that is a true problem. I work for Acura and whenever we take in a ES300 there is major sludge. Weve even had to split the cost of a new engine in a 98 ES300 with 50K miles on it because of the sludge problem. I think part of the problem is Toyota/Lexus tells people its okay to do oil changes every 7500 miles... Sometimes people that arent as sensitive or caring to our cars /trucks tend to forget about something as simple as an oil change. If they had done their oil service every 3500-4000 miles I doubt there would be a problem. SO YES it is Toyotas fault. Ive heard the filters on those cars are so fine that when you dont do the oil changes on time than the filters get clogged and sludge builds up.
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Agree w/Buzzard that considering the cost of new rides and the supposedly better engine tolerances and latest & greatest suspension mods, creature comfort, fuel economy, safety features, etc., the list goes on ... see the ads, we should not be having any major problemos that cannot be fixed at our *friendly* LTD, Local Toyota Dealer.
And again as Buzzard sez back when Toy rides were cheaper & seemingly bullet proof [& that is why we kept on buying them] we could always cut our losses & run without a major financial set-back. Just say "Ouch!" now a days unless you want to lie to your prospective "sucker" when you sell the truck, car, etc. ... or trade it in for mebee another problemo ride, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, ditto, whose to know?
Just learned on the web that the Lexus RX300 & other Toys using that specific V6 engine may have inherent built in sludge problems due to the PC valve design. Our RX has ~45K miles w/no problems yet? At least none that have surfaced to the degree that have noticed them. But am keeping up w/the forums.
Know the problems are out there & mebee like always it's just the Luck of the Draw who has them. Some have & some don't; some will & some won't. A Warranty is no substitute for Quality.
Hope everyone gets the problems worked out that has them both now & lator. It's really up to Toyota though, the ball is in their court.
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Originally posted by waylan:
I completly disagree with nj1266 comments about "paranoia of the vibrations". My passengers even ask... "whats that vibration" or "is it getting worse". My previous Chevy Silverado..... better yet non of my previous four chevy trucks had vibration issues... GM even has training courses I have found regarding fixing vibration issues so obviously vibrations are fixable.
I have questions for people with vibrations or launch shudder issues. How many miles were on your truck when you took delivery of the vehicle? Do you think or did you stick to the break-in period? The reason I ask is mine was driven several hundred miles and doubt it was driven under 55 considering I saw what appeared to be radar detector suction marks on the windshield.
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I also disagree nj on this waylan. When I bought this truck I gave a large sum of my hard earned money for it, it came with assorted growles and vibrations. I told the "Service Mrg" that I had just sold a 93 Toyota truck with over 140,000 miles on it that DIDNT have any of these growls and vibrations for $4000. If I had paid $4000 for this truck I might be able to live with the assorted growl and vibrations but, as all of us, we gave a lot more than $4000 for these trucks. We deserve better performance than were getting. It shouldnt growl and vibrate just because it a truck. --Buzzard
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I don't think break in is the problem. As for me I really think it has to do with the connection to the front drive line just for the fact that it stops soon as I hit the 4 wheel drive and reappears when I get out of 4 wheel. And its felt mostly on the floor by the pedals and no its not the brakes. Does anyone else have that issue?
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I completly disagree with nj1266 comments about "paranoia of the vibrations". My passengers even ask... "whats that vibration" or "is it getting worse". My previous Chevy Silverado..... better yet non of my previous four chevy trucks had vibration issues... GM even has training courses I have found regarding fixing vibration issues so obviously vibrations are fixable.
I have questions for people with vibrations or launch shudder issues. How many miles were on your truck when you took delivery of the vehicle? Do you think or did you stick to the break-in period? The reason I ask is mine was driven several hundred miles and doubt it was driven under 55 considering I saw what appeared to be radar detector suction marks on the windshield.
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I had printed the same reference from the FAQ before the site went down. I tried it, and I found it difficult to identify the exact bottom center of the flanges, but you can get close enough to give you an idea of the alignment. I don't think you can get close enough to worry about 1/8 inch misalignment. I suppose you could use a technique whereby you mark on the pavement the outside edges of the flanges with a level or plumb-bob, measure the distance between the marks, divide by two, and plumb up from that point. Making a "close-enough" measure as per the FAQ, I found my center carrier bearing to be about 1/2 inch out of alignment, laterally. Problem is, there isn't that much lateral adjustability in that carrier bearing housing. Anyone have any suggestions?
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This is copied from the Tundra FAQ:
Subject: 4.16 - Misaligned drive shaft (All)
Some Tundra owners have complained about a misaligned drive shaft causing a mild body vibration. There is an easy fix for this, taken from the pages of Tundrasolutions.com. (Thanks to DJ and Hunter Engineering Company for posting this fix on Tundrasolutions.com !)
"Crawl under the vehicle with a long piece of string and some duct tape (the handyman's secret weapon). Tape one end of the string to the bottom center of the flange at the forward end of the front section of the drive shaft. This is just at the back end of the transmission. Now stretch the string under and along the drive shaft and tape the other end to the bottom center of the flange at the rear end of the rear section of the drive shaft. This is at the front end of the rear axle. The drive shaft should lie directly above this stretched string.
Now look at the center carrier bearing. If it is offset to the left or right, even as little as 1/8 inch, it is in the wrong place. Loosen the two mounting bolts and center it over the string, making sure it is perpendicular to the string. Tighten the bolts to 30 ft-lbs, as the service manual recommends."
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Dealer says they've never heard of a problem with drive train alignment... . Nor do they have any related service bulletins. Anyone know of any specific proof of such problems?
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I, too, am experiencing a vibration at 40+ mph speeds. When new, the vibration was terrible. I took it back in to the dealer and they said the tires were way out of balance from the factory. I'm running Michelin LTX/MS tires, and I hear from lots of folks that they're some of the best. So, after the dealer rebalanced the tires, there was a great improvemnt. But, the center console still shakes! You can actually hear the ice rattle in a drink in the cup holder. There's practically no steering wheel vibration, so I am thinking it's not wheel or alignment based. A friend of mine rode with me the other day and said his son had a very similiar problem with his truck (not a Tundra). The problem turned out to be the drive shaft - his was actually bent. I saw the post about how the rear end moves around, and that makes sense, but if the alignment was off laterally, you'd feel a vibration on smooth level roads, right? Yeah, I know it's a truck... but it ain't supposed to shake like mine does. Taking it in tomorrow for the dealer to check it out.
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I bought my 2002 Tundra last Oct. And noticed a Vibration, took it back to the Dealer, they had it overnight and found that the vibration was coming form right rear axle, they pulled it out and it was bent alittle, replaced it and I haven't had any problems with it lately.....
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Topic: Driveline vibration.
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nj1266,
I agree with you to some degree but since I have recently test driven 4 Tundras I can tell you that there is a real difference between brand new trucks.
All the trucks had about 13 miles on them. Here's what I found:
Truck 1> The steering wheel wasn't centered when going straight down the highway and at speeds about 50 the truck shook enough to rattle the center console( bench seat). I would not want a truck that came from the factory with the shakes even though the service department could probably fix it.
Truck 2> Engine was more prone to pinging than the others I drove. This wasn't full blown pinging, but the edge of pinging where you can hear a slight ping but know that the engine is retarding timing to manage it. (Part throttle at highway speeds really exhibits the 'problem')
Truck 3> The leather seats creaked a lot and there was some clicking that sounded like a switch turning on and off. It had power seats and might have been related to that, but the clicking was very annoying.
Truck 4> More or less perfect. No pinging (engine felt a little stronger). No shaking.
So, maybe trucks won't be perfect, but it would be nice if they were more consistently good.
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Check your pinion angle on your drive shaft. If it doesnt go straight into the pumpkin, then it needs to be re-aligned.....I'm glad I dont have leaf springs anymore and I can adjust mine with my 4-link
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You guys are really paranoid about every slight vibration and shake that this TRUCK does. It is a TRUCK for God's sake. The Tundra is the best riding truck, but it is still a TRUCK and will have truck characteristics. It is a body on frame construction and will have some vibrations and shakes. These are things that you will have to live with. Otherwise, you need to buy a unibody constructed vehicle.
My truck has a little shudder on take off, but it is hardly noticeable. I only notice it when I am looking for it. Now I do not even think about it.
Most of you expect perfection from a machine and a Truck at that. You will not find a perfect truck, there is no such thing.
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Add me to the list... I've got a 2002 4wd access cab iForce with auto and have definitely noticed some sort of faint vibration in the driveline at higher speeds, especially under acceleration. It's almost a faint grinding feel. I'll experiment a little more, but it seems to go away if the driveline isn't powered ( i.e. shift into neutral at 40 mph). I have a limited slip differential and the TRD package, but this is definitely not the smooth acceleration I read about in all the reviews. If this wasn't a brand new truck and the vibration was worse, I would say it was a U-joint going. I love the truck so far, and the vibration is slight... should I be expecting silky smooth acceleration from this truck?
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Something I am just recntly noticing about my take-off launch shudder/vibration is that it is worse with more occupants in the vehicle. I plan to take my truck into service this week.
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I had a slight buzz in the gas pedal and floor around 50-60mph. I ended up putting a couple of shims between the center support of the driveshaft and the frame. Just loosen the two bolts and slide in a couple of alignment shims. Took care of my problem. Forgot about it until I drove another Tundra and felt the same buzz. Hope this helps! KB
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I had driveline vibration on my '99 Prerunner. I jacked it up, put it on jackstands, removed the rear wheels then started the motor and engaged the tranny. Spun it up to 45 mph and the driveline was observed shaking about 1/4". Took it to dealer, showed them on the rack and they ordered and installed a new driveline under warranty. Problem solved. I guess it may have slung a balance weight. No problem since.
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I have the launch shudder too. I had it also in my '00 Tundra I traded in. Took that one to the dealer and they kept saying the couldnt feel it. So I don't know what to do with my '01 Tundra. Mine only does it on easy starts. either that or it happens to quickly to feel on faster starts.
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well that narrows that down now just need to find out what the hell it is
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Originally posted by c7fx:
just like jggd I did the driveshaft deal and lubed the slip yoke and all the other tricks with the drive shaft, so far with no fix. I think it has to do with the transfer case just for the fact that it stops when clicked into 4 wheel drive. I wonder if the cold weather also has something to do with it?
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I don't think it has anything to do with 4WD. Mine is a 2 WD.
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just like jggd I did the driveshaft deal and lubed the slip yoke and all the other tricks with the drive shaft, so far with no fix. I think it has to do with the transfer case just for the fact that it stops when clicked into 4 wheel drive. I wonder if the cold weather also has something to do with it?
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Originally posted by Dan8844:
This was discussed on this forum many months ago and if I recall, some vibration was caused by a misalligned center driveshaft support.
If the original poster is still with us, maybe they can shed more light on the subject.
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Some say they did that but not hardly. The whole purpose of the drive shaft is to transmit power to the axle which is always moving up and down. There is no fixed alignment point except when parked but it doesn't vibrate when parked. The last vehicle I had with a drive line vibration was corrected by mis-aligning as much as possible. The factory rep said they must have mis-alignment to preload so they work correctly. Tried aligning mine with the string guide as someone posted here just to prove to myself it wouldn't make a difference. It didn't.
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This was discussed on this forum many months ago and if I recall, some vibration was caused by a misalligned center driveshaft support.
If the original poster is still with us, maybe they can shed more light on the subject.
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I have the same problem as Waylan. Take off shudder and driveline vibration from 51mph to forever, but it does mute enough above 60mph to not be noticeable to passangers. Toyota says it is normal (they must have been training customer service reps at GM) because all Tundras have the vibration. I say poor design. If it is not corrected by this fall when I get ready to trade I will purchase something else.
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Topic: Driveline vibration.
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I have driveline vibration problems. Take-off Shudder, deep rumble vibration at 20mph and vibration at 45-55mph. I have a 2002 2wd Tundra TRD
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SCtundra,
I don't think the gearing is the problem because the truck shifts into overdrive since new at this speed. Can't understand why it would start now.
c7fx,
I know what you mean; it is driving me crazy too!! I'll try the 4WD shift tomorrow to see what happens and post results.
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Bidman check to see if the vibe stops when put into 4 wheel drive. This is what mine has been doing since 200 miles. That's the only thing that stops the vibe. Putting the truck in neutral or out of overdrive doesn't help. Also it is most noticeable at about 30-35mph. Its starting to drive me crazy!!!
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Mine does the same thing. I don't think it is really driveline vibration problem. The truck is in too high of a gear in the 40-50 mph range. I think they were trying to meet EPA/gas milage standards
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I have noticed a slight driveline vibration that I can feel through the gas pedal especially when the truck kicks into overdrive cruising between 40 -50 mph. I have 2500 miles on this truck and the noise just started last week. Getting ready to bring it in for it's first oil change and lube since new. Anyone else notice any similar problems.
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