Starter / Replacement Contacts

[mitey_whitey]

I have been dowloading from techinfo.toyota.com all morning....
I found lots of great electrical stuff, but am still trying to find "THE MANUAL" that has pics and breakdowns like you posted with instructions.
Under the repair manual section there is some pretty simplistic DIY stuff, but not the shop stuff. Did I create the wrong kind of account in setup?

[mustang67408]

Originally Posted by mitey_whitey

I have been dowloading from techinfo.toyota.com all morning....
I found lots of great electrical stuff, but am still trying to find "THE MANUAL" that has pics and breakdowns like you posted with instructions.
Under the repair manual section there is some pretty simplistic DIY stuff, but not the shop stuff. Did I create the wrong kind of account in setup?

This is how I found the pics I posted and some of the instructions, most of them were from memory. I did a SEQUOIA starter yesterday (30min start to finish )
START HERE:
TIS
Vehicle: 2000 Tundra
REPAIR INFO: repair manual
Section :Starting (2UZ-fe)
Sub section : STARTER
CLICK "FIND"
THEN CLICK REMOVAL. In that PDF that pops up there are other links (SEE PG SF34) (see page EM34) for removing different components. It tells you to remove way to much stuff. I pick and choose what components to remove, there is no "MANUAL" or exact step by step, like what I posted.
They assume you have working knowledge of this entire vehicle and dont need a post of exact step by steps for all things.

I have TIS thru the DEALER at work and the same account at home. I dont know what accounts are avaliable to the general public.

[mitey_whitey]

That helped a lot!

[mitey_whitey]

Mustang....
Thanks for the good info. Congrats on destroying the clock on that starter job..... Their estimate seems to be 6-8 Hours.
Is their a typical torque pattern on the 10 bolts and nuts on the Intake manifold following your procedures. Also, do you only need 2 gaskets... Intake to head and TB to Intake?

[mustang67408]

Originally Posted by mitey_whitey

Mustang....
Thanks for the good info. Congrats on destroying the clock on that starter job..... Their estimate seems to be 6-8 Hours.
Is their a typical torque pattern on the 10 bolts and nuts on the Intake manifold following your procedures. Also, do you only need 2 gaskets... Intake to head and TB to Intake?

ALLDATA estimates 4 hrs, thats what we use as a guide line. Once you learn how to do it, you find shortcuts and things that do not have to be taken apart which saves more time.
Yes it was fast, I have only done....... (seems like a million)

I start on the drivers side middle bolt and work in a clockwise circular pattern back and forth across the manifold.

(pass)
10 6 2 3 7
9 5 1 4 8
(driver)
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The TB to intake is usually fine and I dont change it.

I only change the other 2 as a precautionary measure and protection for the customer.
(I wont be changing them on my own truck) That descision is up to you.

[Wellcraft19]

Parts for the LandCruiser ('99) as per one of my local Toyota dealers:

Intake manifold gaskets (x2): PN 1717150020 - $36.55/ea

Solenoid contacts:
1 ea PN 2822654412 - $9.98/ea
1 ea PN 2822672010 - $14.95/ea

The latter one is said to be common among many Toyota starters. The first one unique to the LC engine (really no idea why these numbers/parts are not the same as for the Tundra V8 as listed earlier in this post - anyone?).

A remanufactured starter from same dealer, $271.50 + $30 core charge

Starter relay, even though unlikerly to be the culprit in my case: $67.51/ea

[mitey_whitey]

mustang,
You have been very helpful with explicit details for this job. I was able to download an overview diagram from techinfo that made sense when viewing the instructions from your earlier post. The one thing that concerns me is the variance in pricing on identical parts from the stealers. The 3 here seem to be charging about 6 hours labor + about $300 for the starter. The relay pricing is from $57 to $80 and the gaskets range from $24 ea to nearly $40 each. The only quote I received on the contacts was $40 for both. This thread may become a priceless link for anyone with starting issues because of the detailed info that Mustang, Ed and Devin shared. Thanks to all of you.

[Wellcraft19]

Saw someone was looking for pictures. found some on another list:
Procedure for replacing 100 series(98 and up) starter contacts - IH8MUD.com Toyota Forum

About half-way down the first page is a set from under the hood of a LC100. Surprised me it was rather dirty and even some rust. Guess spoiled here in the Pacific NorthWest with very little rust (not at all like the rust "horror" we had in southern Sweden where cars rust away thanks to all the salt on the roads, - northen Sweden, cars are as rust free as in Arizona).

I will do this job this week, no real rush except I WANT it done. Glad truck "stalled" in the garage. Fall has arrived and it's COLD outside.

Thanks to Mustang and others for providing great info on this. Will provide update (and possibly some pictures) when done.

/// Per-Ola

[PRTaco]

This thread is awesome. I wanted to take a min and thank the previous posters that were such a help.

I have a 01 doublecab prerunner tacoma with the 3.4V6 and the contacts died on it yesterday. After reviewing the info here, not having a garage to perform the tear down plus not even being able to put really get to the starter, I elected to let a local dealership do my repair.

Anyways, I went prepared to spend all day. Suprisingly, labor was only 172 and both contacts (I looked up the part #s just to doublecheck them) was 30.82. Total price was 236.63.

After reading some of the quotes on here, I was pleasantly suprised.
Thanks again. This is probably one of the best posts on this forum, esp given the past history of Toyota's contact issues.

[mustang67408]

Originally Posted by PRTaco

This thread is awesome. I wanted to take a min and thank the previous posters that were such a help.

I have a 01 doublecab prerunner tacoma with the 3.4V6 and the contacts died on it yesterday. After reviewing the info here, not having a garage to perform the tear down plus not even being able to put really get to the starter, I elected to let Capitol Toyota in Chattanooga do my repair.

Anyways, I went prepared to spend all day. Suprisingly, labor was only 172 and both contacts (I looked up the part #s just to doublecheck them) was 30.82. Total price was 236.63.

After reading some of the quotes on here, I was pleasantly suprised.
Thanks again. This is probably one of the best posts on this forum, esp given the past history of Toyota's contact issues.

That labor is a bit high. ALLDATA only shows (.7 hrs labor, We charge 1.0hrs) on a V-6 Tacoma.
Glad it is fixed and your happy. that is what matters.

[PRTaco]

Yeah well now I get to trace down an electrical problem that I just found out about. Somehow while it was at the dealership, I lost my 12volt constant that powers my PIAA offroad lights and remote starter. All the instruments light up normally and the cig lighters have fire.

What joy. This sucks.

[mitey_whitey]

10 6 2 3 7
9 5 1 4 8

Mustang.... in the process of pulling it today, but even from techinfo, I can't seem to locate the torque specs on the intake and TB. Any help will be appreciated from anyone...

[mustang67408]

Originally Posted by mitey_whitey

10 6 2 3 7
9 5 1 4 8

Mustang.... in the process of pulling it today, but even from techinfo, I can't seem to locate the torque specs on the intake and TB. Any help will be appreciated from anyone...

13 ft/lbs for both the TB to intake and intake to cylinder head

[Wellcraft19]

Dan (mitey_whitey),
Well, that makes two of us working today. In the disassembly phase as we speak. Just went on-line to see if anything new had come up. It had. Thanks Mustang for the torque values.

Got a call from Toyota this morning that the starter contacts had arrived, so I figured out I'd better get this over with. No use having the car in the garage, not running...

/// Per-Ola

[Wellcraft19]

Late Saturday afternoon.
Starter is out. Was not too bad, but I have nimble (small hands) that worked fairly well, even on the driver side bolt on the starter. I will post some photos and other observations when work is completed.

A few observations along the way (LC100, '99):
Really dirty and oily in the intake channels above the valves in the head. Normal? Car has about 80K+ miles and no oil consumption. Intake plenum and runners fairly clean an inch or so up into the plenum, so I'd say it is just residue from leakage past the valves during a normal combustion cycle (!?).

Starter was much smaller than anticipated. Worked on other cars with smaller engines (and boat engines) but starter has at least been 150%-200% larger.
Article number on starter:
28100-50070
22800-7392
Manufacturing period: 08T26

Anyone know if this is the "small" or large" starter?

Starter contacts were dusty and pitted. Can see that they are worn down. So is the contact surface on the plunger, but to a lesser extent. Did polish that area with a dremel, and can see it is pitted, but will likely work for another 80K miles or so. Anyone replaced the plunger as well?

The outgoing axel (the one with toothed weel) from the starter has some radial "play". I could see this as perfectly normal, but what have you guys seen? Is the outgoing axel perfectly "firm" or have you observed some "play"?

Anyone replaced the brushes on the starter as well? I will take apart and inspect them when I'm at it. Any (known) precautions for this starter?

I am considering replacing the starter, but will see what prices I can get. For $300+, I'll just do the contacts this time.

Initial obeservation was that the way this V8 engine is designed, it looks like water could form a nice "pool" in between the two cylinder banks. Water, about an inch or so deep, once there has nowhere to go, but to evaporate when the engine gets hot. At least that's what mine loooked like (I have water marks from a "pool"). Turns out some previous owner has pressure washed the engine bay and the insulation sprayed away has ended up and blocked the drainage holes under the starter.

Starter also had two small "snorkels". One is a bit loose and does not seal at its base, the other one "perfect".

Feel free to provide comments, suggestions, etc, to the above. All ears are open before it gets put back together again.

/// Per-Ola