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This is a discussion thread titled "Lets stroke a motor!", within the Engine & Drivetrain forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
The only thing is, I am mechanicaly inept (as in internals) In order for me to stroke the motor, I have to have a blow by blow, step by step, spoonfed list of parts, where to get them and how to do it.
Do you think it can be done for a reasonable cost (read: cheaper in parts than a blower)?
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With modification of the crank and pistons along with off the shelves pistons, I dont see why it will be too expensive. I would love to see the 5.55 liters with forged H-Bean Chevy Rods and custom pistons. Lets keep this thread alive....
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This is HUGE news. I have aligned myself with a 2uz-fe engine builder who regularly build motors run in the Baja 1000. He has agreed to supply custom built billet cranks in various strokes for the 1uz/ 2uz motors!!
These forged billet cranks can be machined to accept various rod BE widths, including the stock .980 'uz-fe, and the 1.020" 2jz-gte. These cranks are the first of their kind in the 'uz-fe market, and can be completed to your specs. Turnaround time is est. 12 weeks. Remember, these cranks have been punished day and night in some of the most harsh racing imaginable. The billet material is Tonka Tough, and is even tougher than schedule 8625 nickel chrome moly...
1uz-fe specs
3.50" stroke.......... 4.3L
3.75" stroke.......... 4.6L
3.85" stroke.......... 4.7L
2uz-fe specs
3.50" stroke......... 5.0L
3.75" stroke......... 5.3L
3.85" stroke......... 5.5L
*Note: Displacements denote a stock bore. Any overbore adds to the final displacement.
im not trying to be a downer but anyone ever consider the impact on MPG? once you start playing with cams, strokes, and intakes, MPG will probably suffer not to mention the need for a stand alone engine management system.
cha-ching.
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im not trying to be a downer but anyone ever consider the impact on MPG? once you start playing with cams, strokes, and intakes, MPG will probably suffer not to mention the need for a stand alone engine management system.
cha-ching.
I have to say that HP does cost money, but it's not as much as I would have thought in this case. But I think this is for folks who are into towing heavy loads, as well as running with those crazy turbo diesels. This is the first stroker crank/ kit to be made available for the 2uz-fe, so this is a huge step forward.
And are prices steep, I don't see any prices here.
What about these prices.
Doing this is cool and all, but i think we would all like to see it in writing and examples of this stroker kit in pictures, the product and everything that is assembled into these kits (IT ALL) you are wanting to be selling, marketing or how ever this is going about being done.
When you get back to us, inform us of what we are getting our hopes up for and what its going to cost. Then I'm sure we will all want some being its not 2-4K, plus 1.2K for transmission upgrades we will also have to spend and cams to match. Plus fuel mapping, plus larger injectors, plus that piggybacking thing
Stroker kits tend to cost more than average when it's for higher end motors like the 2uz-fe. Also keep in mind that these are the only stroker cranks/ kits on the planet, machined from forged billet, and are being used at present by race teams only. I had to pull a lot of strings to be able to bring this to the public.
Plus something to remember. Domestic stroker kits are built in the hundreds and thousands. So far, no one on earth privately owns a 2uz-fe stroker.
Consider the 2jz-gte HKS 3.4L stroker. Routinely sells for $9,000.00usd, and always backordered. This crank is priced at half that. Remember that quality costs, and so does HP unfortunately. Especially when it's the only one proven to perform, and the only one being offered anywhere on earth.
Stroker kits tend to cost more than average when it's for higher end motors like the 2uz-fe. Also keep in mind that these are the only stroker cranks/ kits on the planet, machined from forged billet, and are being used at present by race teams only. I had to pull a lot of strings to be able to bring this to the public.
Plus something to remember. Domestic stroker kits are built in the hundreds and thousands. So far, no one on earth privately owns a 2uz-fe stroker.
Consider the 2jz-gte HKS 3.4L stroker. Routinely sells for $9,000.00usd, and always backordered. This crank is priced at half that. Remember that quality costs, and so does HP unfortunately. Especially when it's the only one proven to perform, and the only one being offered anywhere on earth.
Thanks guys,
Eric
Insane! but like you say one of a kind. Not being a common practice is making this unreasonably expensive. I never see myself to spend $4500 to 9000. And are you telling me this crank is explosion resistant? I'm talking real explosion resistant, not the term cause it had better be for a price tag of that!
No HP will ever be worth kind of spending. Putting a chevy/Ford motor,transmission, driveline, upgraded diff(s) in is cheaper. Or even buying a new (well new to me) 70's 454, 44"s chevy for 6-7 K and this would be a whole truck, and I've seen this in excellent condition before with a price tag of this.
Is anyone else interested in this(here at TS.com or is this going to be made for high rollers in the cities with money to go around like its never ending, its everywhere and spend, spend, spend, In my opinion people with a lot of money have no real reasoning of the value and hard earns that all the rest of middle class go through. You can have the foreign motors and the price tag that goes with tinkering. Sorry if this is so direct but this much money is ridiculous to spend.
I could see spending 3K maybe for Pistons, high grade crank () and everything to upgrade our existing motors, not a new one, we already have a block, heads, cams, and all the essentials that go with it. Any other things will have to be discussed here I would assume before anyone will want to buy one of these kits. You had better check into this for us. And what all is going into increasing the Litres of our motor. Bore(increasing?)?, Stroke of course DETAILS, details, We need details.
And how is this you had to pull strings? You make it seem like this is all happenig because of you and you only, this company are the ones that are making this right? So is it Race teams that are releasing this? Details will inform us all, and clue us into what this is you are promoting here and including us in on right. So have at it. Explain.
Insane! but like you say one of a kind. Not being a common practice is making this unreasonably expensive. I never see myself to spend $4500 to 9000. And are you telling me this crank is explosion resistant? I'm talking real explosion resistant, not the term cause it had better be for a price tag of that!
I'm not sure that this is unreasonably expensive, it was a lot less expensive then I thought it would be actually. When you think about, it's not much compared ti what it REALLY costs to build a motor these days. I spent over $25,000 usd in building a 2jz-gte, stock displacement. It's not just the bottom end, but everything that goes with it. With the cranks, what I am saying about the cranks are that major race teams use these for 1000 miles @ 6000rpm and there are no failures. These motor are 650BHP N/A motors being punished time after time and there are no crank issues.
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No HP will ever be worth kind of spending. Putting a chevy/Ford motor,transmission, driveline, upgraded diff(s) in is cheaper. Or even buying a new (well new to me) 70's 454, 44"s chevy for 6-7 K and this would be a whole truck, and I've seen this in excellent condition before with a price tag of this.
But remember, this is a 2uz-fe 4 cam V8. There are thousands of strokers sold each year for domestic GM motors, where as the current count in the 2uz-fe market is "0". You can see where this is going. To compare the domestic markets to the 2uz-fe markets isn't quite fair. But there is always a choice, and there are plenty of 2v single cam domestic motors out there for you to purchase. I suppose my next question is this: Why did you but a Tundra if you knew making HP would be expensive?
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Is anyone else interested in this(here at TS.com or is this going to be made for high rollers in the cities with money to go around like its never ending, its everywhere and spend, spend, spend, In my opinion people with a lot of money have no real reasoning of the value and hard earns that all the rest of middle class go through. You can have the foreign motors and the price tag that goes with tinkering. Sorry if this is so direct but this much money is ridiculous to spend.
I respect your opinion, but I will have to disagree. I mean right now, you can purchase rods for your 2uz-fe that will cost you $2000.00. Will they hold the power? Of course. Will these cranks hold the power? Of course. It costs money for REAL Horsepower in the import world. But as with anything, some will find it expensive, and some will find it a bargain. I myself am surprised it's this low of a price because I know what is out there. There are various markets that these V8 motors are being applied, not just the Tundra. The MKIV Supra market, for example, will LOVE the idea of a stroked V8 swap. I would also like to cater to the Tundra market, since there is much room for HP. It's up to the individual owners to decide how far they would like to go.
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I could see spending 3K maybe for Pistons, high grade crank () and everything to upgrade our existing motors, not a new one, we already have a block, heads, cams, and all the essentials that go with it. Any other things will have to be discussed here I would assume before anyone will want to buy one of these kits. You had better check into this for us. And what all is going into increasing the Litres of our motor. Bore(increasing?)?, Stroke of course DETAILS, details, We need details.
And how is this you had to pull strings? You make it seem like this is all happenig because of you and you only, this company are the ones that are making this right? So is it Race teams that are releasing this? Details will inform us all, and clue us into what this is you are promoting here and including us in on right. So have at it. Explain.
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There's no need to upgrade the crank if you plan on staying witht he stock displacement as the stocker is extremely stout. Rods/ pistons can cost easily $3,000.00 usd by themselves. The 2uz-fe camshaft profiles are not condusive to making HP, not one bit. Hence why there are aftermarket grinds now available. If you want the HP, I can provide it.
The stroke has a great impact on the displacement of the motors, as does the bore. The liter figures above represent a stock bore since not every bore will be the same. That's left up to the owner.
While I am not turning the steel in the mill, I am however distributing these cranks/ kits and camshafts for those who would like to get serious in making HP with their 2uz-fe. No man is an island, and there are many in the support system. But it was a lot of homework, and a lot of time to get these items to where they could be released to the public.
I suppose the bottom line is that these are cranks and cams used and test by the race teams. We shoud be SO lucky that these are being made available to the "civilian" public. I will agree that the kit is not for everyone since it's out of a lot of folks price range, but if it would be cheap, it would be worthless. I've heard that it would be better if this was priced at $1000.00usd, but honetly, that wouldn't even buy the materials....
I have started to notice an immense amount of negativity and even open hostility towards people that are going out of their way to supply interesting alternatives to producing power in the 2UZFE. Obviously exotic parts like custom cranks,cams pistons and rods are very expensive. Anyone with any sense at all should be aware of that. Power does cost money.
If you can't afford these parts ,and most cannot,then at least have the decency to be interested and amazed by the possibilities. Don't be rude and suspicious of the messenger. Best to go buy an American pickup and you can modify it cheaply.and enjoy it when it is not in the repair shop
I have started to notice an immense amount of negativity and even open hostility towards people that are going out of their way to supply interesting alternatives to producing power in the 2UZFE. Obviously exotic parts like custom cranks,cams pistons and rods are very expensive. Anyone with any sense at all should be aware of that. Power does cost money.
If you can't afford these parts ,and most cannot,then at least have the decency to be interested and amazed by the possibilities. Don't be rude and suspicious of the messenger. Best to go buy an American pickup and you can modify it cheaply.and enjoy it when it is not in the repair shop
First being so uniformed to us at TS leads me to wonder. Who doesn't.
I would never buy performance like this for my tundra. Why. It only goes 106 mph. It has a high center of gravity. Oh unless spending another 4-6K on the supra transmission.
Its great to lead people to whats going on a post only with the utmost information included.
So where is all this info? Post it on your signature (get in contact with the moderator to Ok it)and start a new thread with Pictures ,Videos to hear it! its proof enough with contacts, pictures since there are thousands of users
here that go on these forms of information. not words and words only
If you ever want to get this going as mass production of these stroker kits or anyone that can afford this, this in my opinion is the only way to do it here, Eye candy, and more eye candy and proof of the product in action. Its all cool and all I just think being rude I can get my point out and anyone else reading can take out of it what they want. We are all entitled to an opinion here.
As always it can take weeks, even months here to get questions asked anymore. And products, why do I want to get my hope up for something like this stroker kit when I didn't and no one else knew here the $price$ before I asked. How long before production? Inform us all, please.
I've seen too many companies take their time for the tundra, It's why I would and have thought of it so many times to buy something else. RCD (lift)took forever. Road armor 1 1/2 years for a bumper. What this going to take?
I do not know of many american cars being in and out getting repaired any more than my truck has been in the shop.
Long list. The engine only supposedly lasts longer. The transmision sucks.
Anyhow back to the point here. STROKED MOTOR!. MORE INFO (even if I cannot afford it) ,like you said its cool to see something like this.
First being so uniformed to us at TS leads me to wonder. Who doesn't.
I would never buy performance like this for my tundra. Why. It only goes 106 mph. It has a high center of gravity. Oh unless spending another 4-6K on the supra transmission.
Its great to lead people to whats going on a post only with the utmost information included. So where is all this info? Post it on your signature (get in contact with the moderator to Ok it)and start a new thread with Pictures ,Videos to hear it! its proof enough with contacts, pictures since there are thousands of users
here that go on these forms of information. not words and words only
If you ever want to get this going, what you are insisting on such as mass production of these stroker kits or anyone that can afford this, this in my opinion is the only way to do it here, Eye candy, and more eye candy. and proof. Its all cool and all I just think being rude I can get my point out and anyone else reading can take out of it what they want. We are all entitled to an opinion here. As always it can take weeks, even months here to get questions asked anymore. And products, why do I want to get my hope up for something like this stroker kit when I didn't and no one else knew here the $price$ before I asked. How long before production? Inform us all, please.
I've seen to many companies take their time for the tundra, It's why I would and have thought of it so many times to buy something else. RCD (lift)took forever. Road armor 1 1/2 years for a bumper. What this going to take?
I do not know of many american cars being in and out getting repaired any more than my truck has been in the shop.
Long list. The engine only supposedly lasts longer. The transmision sucks.
Anyhow back to the point here. STROKED MOTOR!. MORE INFO (even if I cannot afford it) ,like you said its cool to see something like this.
What would you like to know? I will answer what I can.
In answer to your question, the wait time from the date of ordering is 12 weeks for a billet stroker crank. These cranks have already been produced, and have never suffered a single failure. Chances are great that if it's an offroad or Desert Tundra, it has a crank produced by this same manufacturer.
Oh and to prove I am legitimate, my EIN is 56-2537863, and I am listed under Sunbiz.org.
I wouldn't bother touching anything internal on a 2uz-fe until someone decides to make a decent stand-alone ecu setup for it, or someone figures out how to crack the stock ecu maps. All the cool engine parts in the world are not going to be any good without the proper ecu tuning, and as far as piggy back stuff is concerned - these have their limitations as well.
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I wouldn't bother touching anything internal on a 2uz-fe until someone decides to make a decent stand-alone ecu setup for it, or someone figures out how to crack the stock ecu maps. All the cool engine parts in the world are not going to be any good without the proper ecu tuning, and as far as piggy back stuff is concerned - these have their limitations as well.
) and everything to upgrade our existing motors, not a new one, we already have a block, heads, cams, and all the essentials that go with it. Any other things will have to be discussed here I would assume before anyone will want to buy one of these kits. You had better check into this for us. And what all is going into increasing the Litres of our motor. Bore(increasing?)?, Stroke of course DETAILS, details, We need details.
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