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Old 01-13-2005, 04:30 PM
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I've switched back and forth and even on a small 4 banger mercedes engine which got pretty good gas mileage (so the delta will be more noticeable) I've never really perceived any gas mileage change. It would be interesting to see the difference between 20w50 and 10w30 oil on a 50 mpg engine. That's where you'd see the most difference. I've never had an engine like that.

On a big v-8 you'll have the most surface area affected, but you suck so much gas anyway you can't see the difference much anyway.

I've mainly ran the heavier oil to get the increased lower oil weight and it's what the dealers use locally when I did it. When in doubt, I'd defer to what the local [good] dealers use. They know what they are doing (usually). That's a AAA dealer that is, as I don't deal with anything less (and I don't have to). If you're going to pay, pay a little more and get the best, it saves in the long run.

The one area though, and I've never run into it myself on an auto, that might be a bit of a caveat is the increased oil pressure when run at high speed and the engine is still cold. The only time I ever ran into an issue with oil too thick was when I ran straight 60 weight oil in an old yamaha motorcycle. Waaaaaaay too much oil pressure! It was kind of dumb but I was dumb then too.......

Severe winter weather aside. One time during sub 20 below weather I got caught with a Triumph TR7 and I think I had the standard 20w50 oil in it. The oil was so thick that even when I had my mother tow me around in an iced over k-mart parking lot to get the engine to turn over and start it took me a full loop and a half around the *whole* parking lot to get the wheels to turn over enough to get the engine to turn over to bump start it. But that was on almost pure ice too. Nasty, nasty day. That's when a LOT of people found that their car wouldn't start.

After that I took the battery out of my Olds 442 (loved the big v-8 in that thing!) and put it in my TR7. Never had an issue with turning the engine over after that. I had a lot of battery power then!

But *that* is when you need 5w oil. Anything above that is fine with 10w. Unless it's synthetic... To me it's crazy to use 5w oil when the coldest you'll see is 50 degrees. Again, unless it's synthetic..... since then it doesn't really matter. You can easily run that down to 0w oil if you want and you'll still be protected.

Keeping your oil clean is the single most important thing in using the "right" oil. There is lots of room for negotiation on viscocity.


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15W-50 or 20W-50 is for engines built with loose clearances or engines with clearances worn well beyond what they should be. In a tight engine I think you'll find that you'll get higher internal friction and slightly worse gas mileage with no benefit.


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Well to awnser my own question, the OEM filter takes a 2 7/8" to 3 1/4" wrench. I learned it the hard way by buying the wrench, then going down the street to buy the filters only to find out i bought the wrong wrench! DOH!

Also got a couple of them gasket things for the drain plug. Guy said I only need that bout' every 3 oil changes but oh well.
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I just use a strap wrench for my oil filter. BTW testing has shown that the Toy filter does the best job.

I'd be concerned about two issues with your dealer. 1) he's using a NON-toyota recommended weight oil in your engine. Without a good explaination, I'd be questioning that pretty strongly. 2) He says he put '8' quarts in there???? I've got a '03 and 6.5 is the recommended amount, 7 puts me just over the high mark on my dipstick...May want to check your manual again and if he's pulling a fast one by charging for 8 yet only putting in 6.5, I'd be screaming...OR if he's putting in 8 in reality when the engine only needs 6.5, I'd be talking to the dealership management and using words like lawyer, lawsuit, new engine...just to get their attention.
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I use an oversized filter and with the shorter dipstick 8 quarts puts it up to the high mark. With a smaller filter it seems like 8 would be a bit much. However, in the early days when the amount was unclear the local dealers were indeed saying that they put in 8 quarts. It might be that they bill for 8 though and actually put in 7.5. They are the ones who pull the pans on that engine so they might know that more oil than recommened does no harm. I can't say without seeing what the bottom end looks like.

Dealers can do stupid things on an individual basis sometimes, but if they have a general policy of doing something, usually it's safe and in an owners best interest. They usually try to maintain vehicles to oem specs.

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I just use a strap wrench for my oil filter. BTW testing has shown that the Toy filter does the best job.

I'd be concerned about two issues with your dealer. 1) he's using a NON-toyota recommended weight oil in your engine. Without a good explaination, I'd be questioning that pretty strongly. 2) He says he put '8' quarts in there???? I've got a '03 and 6.5 is the recommended amount, 7 puts me just over the high mark on my dipstick...May want to check your manual again and if he's pulling a fast one by charging for 8 yet only putting in 6.5, I'd be screaming...OR if he's putting in 8 in reality when the engine only needs 6.5, I'd be talking to the dealership management and using words like lawyer, lawsuit, new engine...just to get their attention.
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I thought id show a pic of the OEM oil filter cut open since i decided to take a look for myself once i had done my oil change. Surprisingly, it doesnt look like mostly all of the filters in that thread about oil filter tear downs. Well. I will let the pics explain for themselves.

And if you cant tell this is a used filter.
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two things...first off changing to synthetic and back to petroleum based oils will do NOTHING to your engine...i have examples with more mileage than the average vehicle owner and all of these vehicles will still light up the tires if i get happy with the fun pedal at move off.....

toy 4x4 with 165k miles....oil type is changed back and forth and weight is varied as well...engine is fine and this thing is a real off roader, not a pretender....

t100 4x2 with 211k miles...same oil experience....

GS300 RWD with 195k miles....same oil experience...

tundra V8 4x2 with 36k miles....same oil experience...

leaking and damage is a myth...just drain one and throw in the other....just do yourself a favor and stay away from most/all oil additives....

as for oil weights....some good info above...the heavier oil in hotter climates won't hurt u....been there and done that for many years....

as for the oil filter diameter....i can measure it for u if u wish BUT i would STRONGLY suggest u hand tighten the filter....i hand tighten all of mine....never had an oil leak or a filter fly off...twist on till the filter is snug on the engine then go 3/4 turn with hand....oil the seal with your finger before u install....forget about the adapters...u get happy one day and u might take the entire piece off the truck.....it's all fun and games till the filter is torn off ..not saying it will happen but why chance it if u dont have to?

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The only difference on that -YZZD3 filter is that the maker (Denso?) chose to bond the bottoms of each pleat instead of sealing them with end caps. Who knows why?...their manufacturing line is made to do that so they have lower cost???


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they put in 15/40 for the piston slap
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