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EDIT: My questions have been answered and updated in the following post made later in this same thread:

Instructions for installing an OEM Nav in your '07 w/JBL
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The backup camera connector (RSE Unit) plugs directly into the AVN-S, no additional wires required. See Section 9., p.27 illustration. Yes, it replaces the overhead video display function.
So the Rear Seat Entertainment (RSE) connector is good for the backup camera? This adds another level of confusion for me. I thought the backup TV camera was seperate from the RSE and indications at this point are that the camera harness must be extended from the overhead location. I don't have an RSE for the back seaters.
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So the Rear Seat Entertainment (RSE) connector is good for the backup camera? This adds another level of confusion for me. I thought the backup TV camera was seperate from the RSE and indications at this point are that the camera harness must be extended from the overhead location. I don't have an RSE for the back seaters.
Nah, I musta been high (not literally) that day. :blushed: Sorry for the confusion.

Read this thread and I think most of your questions will be answered.

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jliltd what is the model number of you navigation unit such as E7006,E7008, E7009, and do you plan on installing a DVD player to watch movies on the nav. unit. or can this even be done. I have the E7009 on order and been following post on the subject here.
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jliltd what is the model number of you navigation unit such as E7006,E7008, E7009, and do you plan on installing a DVD player to watch movies on the nav. unit. or can this even be done. I have the E7009 on order and been following post on the subject here.
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I got the E7013 (little model number on the front of the unit to lower right side of screen). The actual model part number is much larger and on a label on the top of the unit and reads "Toyota 86120-0230 Denso 12v DW468100-0463" and has a June 2008 mfg date, assembled in Buena Vista, California.

From what I understand the E7009 was for the 2006 and older Tundra/other Toyotas and the E7013 is for the newer Tundra/Sequoia with the major difference being that the newer one has rear seat DVD controls and a built-in bezel that fits the new Tundra dash. If somebody were to use a 7009 in a new Tundra/Sequoia they might have to buy an aftermarket bezel kit at the very least. Furthermore the factory XM add-on module plugs into the rear-seat-entertainment port on the E7013 and I am unsure whether the 7009 has a compatible port.

If you are installing in your 2006 4Runner you might be good to go with an E7009 but I'm no expert on this.
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Do you have to register the stereo with the onboard computer of the truck? I know some other stereos come with theft deterent and the dealership needs to activate the stereo.
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Do you have to register the stereo with the onboard computer of the truck? I know some other stereos come with theft deterent and the dealership needs to activate the stereo.
NO Toyota doesnt have such a system yet Honda does on there Navigation system..
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I’m not taking any credit with this posting to the factory Nav thread. All I know is what I have learned from gbbuilders (the OP), pedro66, wileetundra, WT, PS-Rage, toxarch and many others on TS that have gone before. Rather I post my install here because there may be others out there like me that are slow learners and need all the nitty gritty details of how the whole job was done.

For background, I always wished the long beds could be had with Nav from the factory but was pretty happy with the 6CD JBL with Bluetooth that came on my SR5. I had been watching eBay auctions for a factory Nav and back in early 2007 had even found an eBay seller from Canada that sold official conversion kits. The price was a killer and I had other priorities at the time.

Well, al that changed in early October. Found a fairly good deal on an OEM Nav on eBay. That combined with about 3 beers and making the eBay seller an offer on it lower than the Buy It Now got me there. He took me up on my offer. Woola. Nav head unit owner.

So here is what I’ve discovered in this journey and how I did it:

I already had the JBL premium audio with Bluetooth so I was a long way toward the Nav install. It wasn’t “plug and play” as you will see but there are two different Toyota Nav installation manuals out there (EDIT: make that three with the newer updated instructions in the post right after this one). One is for those without JBL audio (non-premium audio) and the other is for those like me who already have JBL audio (premium audio). Here are links to these manuals already available on TS and the premium audio one is the same link gbbuilders (OP) has above.

Vehicles with Non-Premium audio Nav Install:
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...tundra-nav.pdf

UPDATE: See next post by jamesryanb in this thread for a better more updated version of the "non premium" installation instructions.


Vehicles with Premium JBL Nav Install:
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...drapremium.pdf

Both manuals are invaluable and I used both for reference. The non-premium gets into more detail as to what must be added like a JBL amp and such but also gives more insight into some things even if you already have the JBL per this thread. Also very important is the thread created by PS-RagE on the common Tundra signal wires found here:

Common Signal Lines for the 2007 Tundra

There are 6 important items needed for a successful “Nav” conversion for an SR5 or Limited with original JBL audio. You need more than just the head unit itself (#1). Additional items that are mandatory include the GPS antenna (#2), the 5-pin K6 reverse/speed sensor plug (#3), a new Aux input harness if you want to keep your auxiliary audio port on the dash (#4), the all-important 24-pin K7 Mic connector plug (#5) and the OEM Nav DVD (#6). If you go onto Craig's List or eBay and only buy a head unit you will have to source the balance of items yourself. So do yourself a favor and try to get all the other 5 items included. I didn’t list the sheetmetal GPS mounting bracket as I’m not sure how many system pulls would include this item. This is not as critical as it’s easy enough to make yourself.

I figured as long as I was going to tear into everything I may as well install the factory XM kit and ditch my Pioneer Inno that kept randomly turning off. I also decided the Toyota OEM VIP security system with glass-breakage sensor and hood switch was a no brainer since the labor was nil with the dash taken apart. So I did these two items as well but won’t get into those installs here.

Another thing I decided was to install one of wileetundra’s speed pulse generators (SPG) to allow Navigation input on the go by my right seater. And after reading pedro66’s post on the anytime rear-view monitor mod I decided to add a switch for turning on the rear camera any time I wanted. Since these two items go with the Nav install and usage I will include those in this post.

Using the handy Toyota Navigation System Installation instructions referenced above I started by taking apart my dashboard and glove box. I have the bench seat model but the bucket seat model is covered very well in the same instructions. This stuff is fully explained in the Nav instructions so I won’t go into the details. BTW, the XM install is more very good reference material since it shows the driver’s-side dash information (can’t have too much information when tearing into your truck, right?):

http://www.trdsparks.com/install/PT546-34070inst.pdf

After removing the original standard JBL head unit I used a Sharpie marker to write the plug numbers on the factory harness plugs for quick reference during the job:



Note that the K7 plug shown in this photo is a new plug shipped with the unit and I took this photo later in the project.

Next, I took apart my overhead console. I already had the fixed rear-view monitor which had been installed the week after I purchased the vehicle so I removed it and the 4 torx screws holding the overhead console to the roof. After removing the console I reinstalled the original sunglasses holder where the monitor had been (I knew there was a reason I keep all my old parts in a box).

In order to get the rear-view camera to display on the Nav I read the OP’s instructions about how to drop down the video signals from the monitor plug in the overhead console to the back of the Nav unit. This required 4 wires. I used some 4/16 wire from Lowes but a shielded 3-conductor wire (with the shield becoming the 4th video neg. lead) would be better and better match the shielded Toyota signal lines as shown in the schematics in the common signal lines thread. Here is a schematic of the wires exactly as described by OP:



There are actually two ways (EDIT: make that three with the latest discovered location behind the glove box per next post by jamesryanb) to connect and route the reverse camera wires. One may be easier than the other depending on which side of the truck you want to work on. The conventional way is as OP described it and how I did it under the headliner and down to my switch. The second way is to skip the overhead all together and tie into the wire harness under the driver's-side A-pillar down low.

UPDATE: There appears to be a third, easier and better method discovered by jamesryanb in the next posting where there is a camera circuit plug (JK1) behind the glove box! This will really simplify things.

I like the second solution of only having to go to the A-pillar due to it's shorter run and elegance but didn't find out about it until I was done with my routing. Credit for this second option goes to Toxarch and you can follow this link to see his post on this second method. This new method he discovered is about half the way down and starts with some red text:

http://www.toyotatundraforum.com/aud...html#post20059

Back to the "conventional" way, here's how I did it (although were I to do it again I would go with the behind the glove box camera connector method which I knew nothing about at the time). As I mentioned before I used a 4-conductor integrated wire. It's very easy to remove the passenger-side A-Pillar (two 10mm bolts in the handle) and drop the wires down adjacent to the side-curtain air bag:



This is what the overhead wire routing looks like:


As can be seen above I have already removed the 4 video signal pins from the overhead monitor connector that correspond to the wire colors shown in the schematic and described by OP. I clipped these wires back leaving about 2” pigtails on the pins so I could use these same pins in the Mic connector (K7) later. I then attached each of my 4 new wires to the clipped original wires in the overhead with butt splices as shown:


On the other end of my 4-conductor wire behind the Nav head unit, I spliced the pigtail ends with connector pins originally cut from the monitor harness to each wire corresponding to the overhead color splicing just done:





If I were to do it again I would have soldered these particular pin leads instead of using the butt crimp connectors behind the Nav because the splice connectors take up a lot of real estate and crowd each other on the back side of the Mic K7 connector. I inserted these 4 re-connected pins into the new K7 Mic connector per the Toyota schematic in pins 21 through 24 as shown:



The above photo also shows the microphone pins moved over from the K3 connector per Toyota's instructions.

Next I needed a reverse sensor wire to connect to the new K6 speed/reverse connector, routed through my new SPDT anytime rear camera switch:



So I spooled out a few feet of blue wire for the reverse signal and followed the Toyota installation instructions to tie into the passenger’s-side kick panel connector AJ2, Pin 3 reverse wire with an inline tap and covered it with foam:




I normally hate inline taps and have not used one in years but this situation of tying into the AJ2 reverse wire just begged for one so I swallowed by principles and scrounged one up and used it to tap into the OEM harness. I then routed the reverse wire toward the Nav unit as directed in the Toyota instructions.

Enroute to the Nav unit I routed this blue reverse wire to the anytime camera switch (the aforementioned SPDT Radio shack switch). I won’t show the switch installation here because there has been a whole thread on this sort of mod started by pedro66. Here’s a link to one of my posts in that thread showing the rest of what I did with respect to the anytime switch:

DIY: OEM Backup Camera Install With Auto Anytime Camera

This switched reverse signal is routed into Pin 5 of the new K6 reverse/speed connector procured with the Nav unit. Note that the K6 connector is usually gray colored but mine was white for some reason. In the following picture of the K6 connector the reverse signal would be spliced into the white wire on the right (pin 5):

The other two wires are for parking brake (purple pin 1) and speed signal (black center pin 3). Your wire colors may vary but the pin position will not.

I didn't connect the purple parking brake wire (pin 1) to anything as it was not needed in my truck as I don't have a rear seat entertainment system (RSE).

I attached the center black wire of the K6 connector to the common side of another SPDT switch (exactly the same type the backup camera switch shown above). Then I connected the factory speed sensor wire in the OEM harness to one of the outer switch inputs. Wileetundra's speed pulse generator was attached to the other switch post and I followed Wilee's included instructions to a tee. See his navigation SPG thread for more information on installation.

DIY: All NAV Functions All The Time without Firmware Downgrade!

I installed the SPG under the glove box near the cabin fan on top of an unused plastic electrical connector with two tie wraps. I also soldered on a 3-pin computer fan power connector to the leads so the SPG could be removed and replaced easily. Note: When using 3-pin computer fan connectors make sure the factory assembled the wires to the pins with solder. Some cheapo connectors rely on the heat shrink to hold the wire to the connector. That is not an acceptable configuration for a mobile / vibration environment.



I made up a wire harness with the opposite 3-pin fan connector to give power, ground to the SPG and new pulse singal to SPDT speed circuit switch for Nav. Again all covered by wileetundra.

Here's what the computer fan connector plugs look like when assembled:


And here is a view of the switch for the SPG:


My Nav unit kit did not come with the sheetmetal GPS antenna mount antenna used under the dash on the center heater duct the way the directions show. So I ended up fabricating my own from some flat steel sheet. I started by mocking up the bracket with a piece of cardboard cut to and bent to fit in the OEM location:

I then traced the flattened cardboard template onto the sheet steel and marked the bend line:


Then I used a plasma cutter to cut out the pattern and bent the sheet in a vise. I also used a bench belt sander to radius the edges and clean up the plasma cut:

I used 3M heavy-duty adhesive tape on the underside of the upper flange the same way the OEM bracket does. Here's the final result:


The two holes were used to attach bracket to side of air duct with sheetmetal screws per the install guides first mentioned at the beginning of this post.

In reality a piece of pre-bent sheetmetal flashing found at your local big-box home improvement retailer would have worked for the antenna mount; I gravitate toward building things.

The one loose item that has to be installed is a short harness that connects the Nav unit to the Aux Input port on the front of the dashboard. Here is what that harness looks like as I received it from my eBay seller:


The blue plug goes into the Nav head unit and the white connector plugs into the front panel Aux jack replacing the original. While the aux input is not necessary for the overall system to work, I think it's mandatory to give an OEM part install the same functionality as the factory intended. Plus I never know when I might want to plug in an external audio source. I know there is another type of plug than the one shown above that is a "Y" as mentioned in the nav installation instructions. I was told the "Y" harness was a Canadian part and the one like above is the US model. I don't know if that's true but they both function the same. The direct type as shown above bypasses the original vehicle harness integration and just goes direct to the Aux port.

At this point it was just a matter of plugging in the Nav head unit to the original harness plugs (minus the K9 which is not used on the Nav) and the new harness plugs (K6, K7, Aux Input, GPS antenna etc..) and then installing the unit into the dash. I also installed the SPG switch and anytime reverse camera switch at the same time into the A/C console on each side of th Aux port & glass breakage sensor. The switch installation was covered in the above anytime thread link.

I reassembled the glove box and other interior items in reverse order of the instructions and here is the final result:

The switch on the left is for wileetundra's SPG for on-the-go Nav programming, and the one on the right is for anytime reverse camera activation.
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JLILTD,
Great write up. I just got done, last weekend, installing the factory nav on my non jbl truck and I wished I would have had this. The PDF files are good but sometimes difficult to follow. I also installed the steering wheel with the radio controls and everything worked fined. I was reading through your write up and you had a link for the non jbl truck, I got this new PDF file for the non jbl truck that is a liitle more in depth, but it also goes into adding the factory back up cameras and allowing for the factory AUX input to work with your install, for both jbl and non jbl.
But once again thanks for the write up, JLILTD and everyone else that has helped with this install as well.
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JLILTD,
Great write up. I just got done, last weekend, installing the factory nav on my non jbl truck and I wished I would have had this. The PDF files are good but sometimes difficult to follow. I also installed the steering wheel with the radio controls and everything worked fined. I was reading through your write and you had a link for the non jbl truck, I got this new PDF file for the non jbl truck that is a liitle more in depth, but it also goes into adding the factory back up cameras and allowing for the factory AUX input to work with your install, for both jbl and non jbl.
But once again thanks for the write up, JLILTD and everyone else that has helped with this install as well.
Thanks for that new updated pdf. *I* could have used *that*. In fact, it looks like there may be an easier way to tie into the camera signals than I did based on that camera harness plug under the glove box. I suppose I should update my non-premium link language in my previous post to direct people to your new pdf.

In the end I am very satisfied with the end result and enjoyed the project.
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Update from the field. Compared to the non-nav JBL audio head unit, the OEM Nav unit appears to be:

1) Worse for Bluetooth telephone and voice commands than non-nav JBL unit.
The Nav unit voice prompting Betty voice is crankier and doesn't allow herself to be interrupted if you already know you want to press "off hook" or similar. The non-nav JBL lets you take shortcuts if you already know the number is right and you don't want to wait for a full "readback" from Betty. The voice prompting is archaic compared to the non-nav JBL (and not nearly as smooth and sexy). The telephone interface on the factory NAV seems like an afterthought and is hidden within the Info menus. The non-nav unit Bluetooth seems to be centrally integrated with somewhat seamless interface. When I had the standard non-nav JBL I wondered why people who had the Nav units were posting they don't bother with the voice prompts and dialing and just use their phone key pad. Now that I've upgraded to the Nav I know where they're coming from. The non-nav JBL is much better in this regard. The only "Pro" is that the factory nav allows you to store more telephone contacts than the "non-nav" unit. Nice, but hardly a $1,800 option.

2) Worse for navigation than a $100 Garmin handheld. I mean, don't get me wrong. It works fine despite the nannies. I find it incredulous that the user must select what region they want the database to operate within. I regularly travel between two citys 50 miles apart that are on opposite boundaries of two data regions. So I have to constantly tell the unit which region I want to search. I mean, it's a GPS. Doesn't it know where it is? At a minimum default all searches to the vehicle's location region with an option to manually select a different region. That seems about 5 years behind the times to me and stone age compared to a modern handheld unit. I was flying handheld GPS units in the early 90's in airplanes with better database searches than this factory nav. Even my old cell phone knows where it is and even changes the timezone automatically when I travel. And what's up with the stale database? Even with the latest Toyota navigation DVD I can't find streets that have been in existence for 5 years. They're in my 18-month old Garmin Nuvi.

3) Worse for XM tuning than a $10 Delphi Roady. The XM interface is just short of horrible. Basically set it to some station and forget it. The radio harkens back to the time when XM was oriented around "type themes". To manually tune you either reach all the way over to the top right knob and twiddle it one at a time or push the up/down search buttons --- and wait --- and wait. Oh, and forget the steering wheel controls. That will only search types and memory settings. No station browsing. A 4-year-old Delphi Roady will instantly scroll through channels showing you channel name and song as fast as you change the selector. Not the OEM XM in the Tundra. You have to twist, wait, wait, twist, wait, wait; that is if you want to "browse" the channels. And you're really not actually previewing or browsing channels like on normal XM receivers ... you have to actually select the channel to even find out what it is. It's ludicrous. You may as well memorize your favorite few channel numbers because browsing around is out of the question, especially if you're driving.

4) Better for backup camera display than any of the overhead options. It really shines here. Much of it has to do with the optimum mounting geometry of the camera and excellent field of view and depth of view of the camera. Really no comparison to the overhead squint-and-lean video monitors. With pedro66's anytime mod (switched) is a fantastic trailer load inspector while zipping along a 80mph.

5) Looks cool and button lighting matches OEM interior nicely. Nuff said there.

The written instruction manual for OEM Nav is overly-complicated and spends more time on complex optional settings and engineering technology than on what the every-day user really uses.

As far as the comparison to the non-nav JBL you would think that the guys over in Building A at Denso designing the NAV JBL would have walked over to Building B and talked to the guys designing the standard JBL. I mean, they're like two different products developed from the ground up independently. Didn't those guys even do lunch together on occasion?

I've spent enough time and money installing the Nav that I should defend her honor. But I have been spoiled by the standard JBL's phone interface, Delphi, IIMorrow and Garmin over the years. If I was a GPS and Bluetooth newbie I probably wouldn't know any different and would be ecstatic with the factory Nav. However, I'm going to call it mediocre at this point. It does look cool.
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Thanks for the assesment. Pretty much confirmed my original plan when looking for a truck - JBL w/ integrated BT and use my Windows Mobile phone w/ GarminXT for navigation. You made it easy for me to scratch "Find and install OEM nav system" from my "To Do" list.

Now if I could just find out the wiring designations for the camera connector that is behind the glove box without having to tear things open...
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Now if I could just find out the wiring designations for the camera connector that is behind the glove box without having to tear things open...
The latest non-premium instructions call for a "Camera Adapter Wire Harness" provided by the Toyota Parts Department. This part plugs directly into the plug behind the glove box and then into the factory Nav. Very handy if it really exists. Unfortunately the install instructions don't give a part number. Just a name "Camera Adapter Wire Harness". I haven't run that one by my local dealer yet but I'm sure I would be met with blank stares as usual. Here's a link to those instructions. Picture of wire harness is shown on the top of page 13 and the installation is shown in Section 8 on page 46:
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I have tried getting it fom my local parts dept. No luck. I believe the instruction is prepared by toyota canada so the parts may be available in canada. Can somebody from canada order the aux & steering SW wire harness and camera adapter wire harness and ship it to me? I will pay for the cost. Thanks for your help.
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That is true that a lot of the part numbers on that list are canadian part numbers. I am at work right now, but when I get home, I will post the number for the candian dealrship that I called to get my parts. He got me everything I needed and was pretty fast and helpful.
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