PROPOSED GROUP BUY:HID Light Kit

[mxracer3502]

Hey all, I know these lights aren't very popular with some people, but those who do want them here is a chance to get them at a very good price. The HID fog lights are also available. 10 people min for each one. They also come with a 1 yr warranty. Lets see if we can get this going all. If you interested just say so on this thread thankyou.

Here is their pricing for group buys:

Low beam kits:
(headlights or fog lights)
10 People: $70.00 EACH-REG $85.00

High/Low beam kits:
10 people $100.00 EACH-REG $125.00

All orders will have free shipping.

These are our available bulb types:
H1, H3, H4, H7, H8, H9, H10, H11, H13, 9005, 9006, 9007, 9008, 880, 881, D2R, D2S.

These are current available color temperatures:
4300k, 6000k, and 8000k. Other colors require 1 week to ship from our facility.

[reese917]

What brand name? Who is the seller?

[nhparrot]

What brand name? Who is the seller?

The vendor/distributor for this Group Buy is Lightning Industries

[mxracer3502]

half way there..

[-kj-]

You do realize these kits are illegal, yes?

Not to mention highly annoying and dangerous to every other driver on the road as well.

[mxracer3502]

not illegal here and they got more things to worry bout n e ways. annoying mabey..thats why i wrote i know some ppl dont like these kists but for those that do heres a chance to get a good deal etc etc. some people think that making thier trucks louder with flowmasters or sumthng is annoying also. by the way stunting IS ILLEGAL on public roads... and dangerous to EVERYONE on the road. then again if thats even you in that pic...

[FUNGUS]

Sorry..... they are illegal in all 50 states...... youll find quite a few discussions on the subject if you search......

[-kj-]

by the way stunting IS ILLEGAL on public roads... and dangerous to EVERYONE on the road. then again if thats even you in that pic...

Yes... and this is why I only do it in closed controlled environments (Industrial park parking lots on weekends).

Learned my lesson long ago about endangering myself and others on public roads.

[brow]

not illegal here and they got more things to worry bout n e ways. annoying mabey..thats why i wrote i know some ppl dont like these kists but for those that do heres a chance to get a good deal etc etc.

Checked out your website as I actually am interested. When you click on the products link it says error 403, forbidden.
Don't mean to be a dick or anything but on your webpage Lightning Industries - High Performance Lighting HID Conversion kits High Intensity Discharge Xenon Lights it specifically says, "Kits are for show or off-road use only. These kits are not DOT approved."

This really doesn't matter to me as the "foglights" that I use are for off road use only as well. Anyways...

[tundradreams]

Just curious, but if HID headlamps are illegal in all 50 states, then why does Toyota offer them as factory options on cars, such as Sienna, Avalon, Prius, and Solara?

[-kj-]

It has to do with the light beam cutoff pattern, (the point at which the light shines directly into oncomming traffic).

Factory HID systems are usually in projector housings, which put the beam into a highly focused, narrow pattern... equivilant to halogen reflector housing... but more intense. All while NOT blinding oncomming drivers.

Halogen systems have a sharp beam pattern cutoff without the projector lense due to the bulbs light emiting properties.

Once you add the HID bulb to a factory halogen reflector (which are 99% of "plug&play" systems), you get a widely scattered beam that blinds the crap out of other drivers and dosen't do as well of a job at lighting up the road. Effectively sacraficing all of the befifits of HID just for the "cool look of HID".


I'd imagine if you got some DOT projector beams and installed the HID bulbs you would be perfectly legal.

[-kj-]

Then again.... if you do most of your "playing" off road.... then you could still look cool without getting in trouble.

[Tundradrenalin]

If you're not interested in the Group Buy, don't post a reply, just MOVE ON.
If you have some official local gov or state gov docs that show the legality or illegality of these lights, please post them.

Thanks.

[FUNGUS]

If you're not interested in the Group Buy, don't post a reply, just MOVE ON.
If you have some official local gov or state gov docs that show the legality or illegality of these lights, please post them.

Thanks.

From National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)

NHTSA Notice: Glare from Headlamps and other Front Mounted Lamps - FMVSS 108

"Another disturbing trend in this look-a-like phenomenon is the substitution of OEM filament headlamp bulbs with aftermarket HID conversion bulbs. The desire is to achieve the look and achieve the more robust performance of HIDs. While not designed to be interchangeable, some aftermarket companies are substantially altering the HID bulb bases or providing adapters so that the HID bulbs can be inserted in headlamps designed for filament bulbs. The consequence of making these substitutions is to adversely affect safety. Filament headlamps are optically designed for the volume of light and filament placement and other critical dimensions and performance that OEM filament bulbs have. The HID conversions result in two to three times the volume of light and potentially imprecise arc placement. Such conversions often result in beam patterns that behave nothing like the original filament beam pattern, cannot be reliably aimed, and have many times the permitted glare intensity. In informal conversations with persons who have tested such conversions, the light intensity on one at a point aimed toward oncoming drivers was 22 times the allowable intensity limit. Another lamp was more than 7 times too intense. With poor HID bulb and arc placement, the glare intensity could be significantly worse. Thus, the use of these conversions could be yet another source of the glare problems about which many drivers have complained.

Regarding bluer light achieved by these filament bulbs, recent research (Sullivan, J.M. and Flannagan, M.J.: AVisual Effects of Blue-Tinted Tungsten-Halogen Headlamp Bulbs", Report No. UMTRI-2001-9, available in Docket: NHTSA-2001-8885-2) shows consistency with prior research, that discomfort glare ratings increase as the chromaticity moves toward the blue color range of the visible light spectrum. The authors also state that there is no evidence to show that target detection is enhanced with such blue colored headlamps, either in direct viewing or peripheral viewing of illuminated targets. This, essentially, shows that there likely is an inherent disbenefit from the use of such blue bulbs and headlamps that are intended to change the color of light emitted from headlamps. While one might assume that this also applies to the bluer HID powered OEM headlamps, the authors did not study this, nor speculate about it."



If you live in California, CHP will ticket you under California Vehicle Code 26101.

In black and white.....

V.C. Section 26101 - Modification of Vehicle Equipment

Technically, retrofits of oem hid projectors into other housings are illegal as well as the DOT/SAE certification is no longer valid, but it eliminates the glare that is the entire reason for the law and NHTSA study.

This is not to slam the group buy, just meant to educate....People will do whatever they want regardless of the legality or what I say......

[-kj-]

Good post.