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This is a discussion thread titled "Waterpump Failure", within the Highlander forum, part of the SUV Forums category.
The current RAV4 gen is too new to judge. Two years old while under warranty doesn't exactly tell the whole picture. I do not refer to this current platform.
Compare a 2001 I4 Camry and a 2001 I4 HL. There is 1000 pound increase in weight for the HL.( giver or take ) Torque diff. being minimal to none.
Which vehicle's engine will be operated in the upper load range MOST of the time?
Hint: This is not a trick question.
Yu tell me which engine will have the most repairs in the long term. Especially the accessory components. Then add a 4WD 4-speed transmission to this I4 HL as an insult..
A resultant pattern of repairs DO exist. More frequent than a V6 equipped HL w/4 or 5 speed trans. (FWD or 4WD)
Compare a 2001 I4 Camry and a 2001 I4 HL. There is 1000 pound increase in weight for the HL.( giver or take ) Torque diff. being minimal to none.
Which vehicle's engine will be operated in the upper load range MOST of the time?
Hint: This is not a trick question.
Yu tell me which engine will have the most repairs in the long term. Especially the accessory components. Then add a 4WD 4-speed transmission to this I4 HL as an insult..
A resultant pattern of repairs DO exist. More frequent than a V6 equipped HL w/4 or 5 speed trans. (FWD or 4WD)
You seem to be backtracking to theory instead of real world experience. In the real world THOUSANDS of I4's that were installed in HEAVY (3,500 - 4,000 lb) 1979-2002 4WD Toyota pickup trucks and 4Runners hit the 400,000 mark with no problem and many went up to 600,000. These vehicles took 16-20 seconds to reach 60 MPH because they were so heavy and the I4's put out only 90 - 116 horsepower. I am unaware of any engine parts or "accessories" that wore out early on these engines even though the engines were operated in the upper load ranges most of the time.
All per edmunds.com. You can't make the point that there aren't enough I4 HL's around to really know how reliable they are, and then turn around and say that you magically know that they aren't reliable. I agree there aren't many, but the same drivetrain is used in these other vehicles with similar weight. Parts are definately cheaper than the V6 for the engine and transmission. Chassis parts are generally identical. I will agree there may be some parts unique to the HL I4 implementation that would be more difficult to locate.
The fact that resale value is low is a good thing for me, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten one. It's a two sided coin. Of course there isn't much power available, but for some that isn't an issue. When I test drove one, there wasn't much power in the V6 either. The money saved on gas per fueleconomy.gov isn't much, about 300 per year, so I'll agree purchase price is really the only ecomony of the drivetrain.
Very interesting, the I4 water pump is fifteen bucks more than the V6. It is the same part as the Camry I4, though. This is not true for the majority of the drivetrain, however. For example, the engine assebly as a whole is over 4000 cheaper new, and significantly less on the salvage market.
Your weight figures are off a bit. Weight is also influenced by trim levels. And are net of course. The 06 Rav should not be included in the mix. Why is it used for comparison anyway? Let's talk the 01 Rav4 if yu need to.
This all started with waterpumps on an I4 equipped 01 HL. Lets keep it to same MY Toyota offerings of similar chassis and engine. That's where I started originally.
Or lets just say I was wrong and move on. I won't take it personal. Then no one will be insulted?
It's all opinion any way. people will interpret data in many different ways and from different angles. Kathyricks taught me this.
You seem to be backtracking to theory instead of real world experience. In the real world THOUSANDS of I4's that were installed in HEAVY (3,500 - 4,000 lb) 1979-2002 4WD Toyota pickup trucks and 4Runners hit the 400,000 mark with no problem and many went up to 600,000. These vehicles took 16-20 seconds to reach 60 MPH because they were so heavy and the I4's put out only 90 - 116 horsepower. I am unaware of any engine parts or "accessories" that wore out early on these engines even though the engines were operated in the upper load ranges most of the time.
Yeah maybe 2% of these vehicles actually made it to 600K. Nice try.
And 2% is not a representative sample at all. And that was a time when valve adjustments were an important maintenance item as as well as other PM's. Yu are comparing apples and oranges.
I've owned a 92 T100 too. 2.7 I4. Very briefly. Turned it for profit. Needed much work. Sold it easily as many people loved this Japanese P/U with supossedly better quality than the subsequent US made Tundra.
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