I'm in Tucson as well, but somewhat on the fence as to which one I'd like to get. I've heard that both are great, but I like the feel and strength of Line-X liners better. One downside for Line-X for me is the dealership/installer is on the NW side and I live on the far East side in the Rincon foothills. The Rhino Linings dealership/installer is practically right up the street from me, and is one big plus. I just need to find the time, when they are open, to get down there and get an estimate.
I'm a LINE-X dealer. I offer you some facts about LINE-X and Rhino:
LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. Less moisture also means better adhesion. 3. Polyurea also makes for a tougher liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents.
LINE-X offers a NATIONWIDE lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
Buy whatever brand suits your needs. It's good to have choices.
LINE-X offers a NATIONWIDE lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
I have some additional information on this............ I spoke with all the Rhino dealers here in my town and asked them about this. I also called Rhino directly to ask them and see if they gave me the same answer. It is true the warranty is through the dealer that installed the liner, but, if you move or the place that did your install goes out of business, you can see another authorized Rhino Linings installer and if the product is defective in some way they can try and contact the dealer that installed it and contact Rhino directly and they will work something out to cover it under warranty.
I am very happy with my liner. I do know a lot of people with the Line-X and they love it as well. I think they are both great products, just a little different. It all depends on your wants and needs. I wanted something that had a little better "grip" for when I am moving things. I have used some buddies trucks with the Line-X and stuff seems to slide a lot more on that than with the Rhino Lining. Just my opinion.
Regarding the warranty. I also have called Rhino directly. Rhino corporate will not support warranty work, period. It is totally up to the dealers. If you have trouble one day, and the original installer is no longer in business, you may or may not find help from another dealer. The dealer may choose to help you or not, it's totally up to the dealer.
LINE-X dealers are franchised (unlike Rhino dealers) and have agreed to provide warranty work. LINE-X corporate and the franchises have a system in place that reimburses any dealer for major warranty work. LINE-X is a very good product, and as far as I know, is the only brand that offers this nationwide lifetime warranty.
Regarding the warranty. I also have called Rhino directly. Rhino corporate will not support warranty work, period. It is totally up to the dealers. If you have trouble one day, and the original installer is no longer in business, you may or may not find help from another dealer. The dealer may choose to help you or not, it's totally up to the dealer.
LINE-X dealers are franchised (unlike Rhino dealers) and have agreed to provide warranty work. LINE-X corporate and the franchises have a system in place that reimburses any dealer for major warranty work. LINE-X is a very good product, and as far as I know, is the only brand that offers this nationwide lifetime warranty.
Good luck, it's good to have choices!
Great point there Dave... Especially this part...
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Originally Posted by 123Gone
LINE-X dealers are franchised (unlike Rhino dealers) and have agreed to provide warranty work. LINE-X corporate and the franchises have a system in place that reimburses any dealer for major warranty work. LINE-X is a very good product, and as far as I know, is the only brand that offers this nationwide lifetime warranty.
Too ALL potential buyers of a "spray-in" bed liner...THIS IS THE MAIN REASON... IMHO... to chose LINE-X over ALL other brands!
When I first met 123Gone (here on the boards) I was within a "split-hair" from going with Speedliner. Fact is, I was rather "BLESSED" (in the fact) that I have 2 good friends in the spray-in bedliner biz. One with LINE-X and the other, with SPEEDLINER. My friend with Speedliner, managed to throw a great "sales ptich" my way, about how much stronger Speedliner was over Line-X, which actually turned out to be somewhat unfounded. Anyway, it ALL boiled down to... WARRANTY. And I'll bet... if I asked my friend with Speedliner one time (about his "warranty policy") I KNOW I asked him, more than a dozen times! Each time, he skirted the issue. I finally got tired of asking. One call to my friend with LINE-X, and he offered me the warranty info... up front.
Needless to say... (now-a-days) a GOOD warranty, carries a WHOLE LOT of weight behind it! It's also a HUGE selling point as well.
__________________ 2004 SR5 Double Cab 4x4 w/TRD Pkg. Mods to Date:
16" 5 Spoke Brawn Enkei Wheels, Keyless Entry, Line-X Bed Liner, Challenger Running Boards, Husky Floor Liners, Bug Flector II (painted to match), Colegan Bra, Borla Dual (Side-Exit) Exhaust System, 2" Wheeler's Coil Lift, TRD Add-A-Leafs Mods to Come:
265/75/16 BFG A/T's, Possible Mods:
Seat Covers, 3M Clear Bra (hopefully... just cost so friggin' much!)
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
I have had a Speedliner in my fathers truck for 11 years and had no issues at all. It even still looks good with hardly any color fade. It is tough stuff. I think if the dealer does a good job at prep then you shouldn't have to many problems. You can tell the guy how rough or smooth you want it and he can adjust for that texture. I'm sold on Speedliner.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
You're happy, that's what counts!
However, I think the solvent based bedliner brands like Speedliner, Superliner, and Scorpian are on their way out. Many governmental agencies are cracking down on these types of products. They are a "no-no" as far as fire hazards, health, and environmental issues go.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
Well since your a Line X dealer you're going to say yours is better. If the government was going to stop a company from doing business because of "health" issues they would have done it already. I know Speedliner has been around since mid 90's and Dealer here has been doing it for at least 12years so I guess it's really not a problem. I know Rhino liners are the worst I've seen for long term looks. I do like Line X texture it has. But in the end its what you want and are happy with buying.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
If you look back at my posts, I never stated that LINE-X was better than Speediner. I said that the solvent based brands are probably on their way out.
There have been some significant events in the last couple of years that bring me to that conclusion. Some of those events include:
1. OSHA has adopted NFPA 33 which (in general) requires a full paint spray booth with fire suppression for solvent based products. These booths are cost prohibitive for most bedliner dealers.
2. I attended a training class regarding OSHA regulations at a LINE-X dealer conference two years ago. There were OSHA reps there in the class. We discussed solvent based products among other things.
3. These solvent based products are not EPA exempt. With the current push for "green" applications, look for increased enforcement. Note: LINE-X and Rhino are EPA exempt.
4. Many states, including Texas (Texas Adminstrative Code), have regulatory laws regarding the use of VOC's (which are contained in solvents). VOC volume limits, filtration, and business registration are some of the requirements. I'm guessing that most solvent based bedliner brand dealers are not aware of these laws and do not conform to them.
5. The Speedliner dealer in Arlington, Texas was shut down by OSHA a couple of summers ago for non-compliance. He also sells camper tops. He called me by telephone looking for a bedliner dealer to send his customers to.
A Speedliner dealer will be subject to significantly more regulations than me. I had an OSHA inspection last summer. If a Speedliner dealer opens up near me, I'll make sure he gets one also.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
I'm sure you would make sure he got a visit.. It's a shame people can't make a living without the government causing problems. LineX is a good product but I'm glad we have the option to choose what we like.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
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Originally Posted by 123Gone
If you look back at my posts, I never stated that LINE-X was better than Speediner. I said that the solvent based brands are probably on their way out.
There have been some significant events in the last couple of years that bring me to that conclusion. Some of those events include:
1. OSHA has adopted NFPA 33 which (in general) requires a full paint spray booth with fire suppression for solvent based products. These booths are cost prohibitive for most bedliner dealers.
2. I attended a training class regarding OSHA regulations at a LINE-X dealer conference two years ago. There were OSHA reps there in the class. We discussed solvent based products among other things.
3. These solvent based products are not EPA exempt. With the current push for "green" applications, look for increased enforcement. Note: LINE-X and Rhino are EPA exempt.
4. Many states, including Texas (Texas Adminstrative Code), have regulatory laws regarding the use of VOC's (which are contained in solvents). VOC volume limits, filtration, and business registration are some of the requirements. I'm guessing that most solvent based bedliner brand dealers are not aware of these laws and do not conform to them.
5. The Speedliner dealer in Arlington, Texas was shut down by OSHA a couple of summers ago for non-compliance. He also sells camper tops. He called me by telephone looking for a bedliner dealer to send his customers to.
A Speedliner dealer will be subject to significantly more regulations than me. I had an OSHA inspection last summer. If a Speedliner dealer opens up near me, I'll make sure he gets one also.
I like the Line-X system but I was reading about this product and have used it on a few things but not a truck bed yet, and I would be interested in your opinion of this product as to the use as a bed liner protection product. I know it works on other things but have no experience nor have I wittnessed it used in this type of application.
Thanks ahead of time for your opinion.
Kevin POR-15 Depot - POR15
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
I've never used POR-15 products but it's my understanding that they are VERY good.
Well, I think the closest POR-15 product to a bedliner would be BlackCoat. If you use this, I think you are going to run into some problems:
1. How are you going to apply a non-slip final texture?
2. BlackCoat cost about $165 per gallon. BlackCoat is almost 30% solvents (that evaporate away) which means that per every gallon, you only end up with about 3/4 of a gallon of actual solids. When we apply a bedliner, we spray in about 4 to 4.5 gallons of solvent free solids which ends up as a thickness of about 3/16" on the bed and about 1/8" on the sides. To get the same thickness out of BlackCoat, you would have to buy about 5 or 6 gallons of BlackCoat which would cost you $825 to $990.
3. In order to apply BlackCoat, you will also need to prep the bed. You will need, paper, tape, acetone, gloves, brushes/roller, POR-15 solvent (for thinning and clean up), and probably a day or two of your time.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
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Originally Posted by 123Gone
I've never used POR-15 products but it's my understanding that they are VERY good.
Well, I think the closest POR-15 product to a bedliner would be BlackCoat. If you use this, I think you are going to run into some problems:
1. How are you going to apply a non-slip final texture?
2. BlackCoat cost about $165 per gallon. BlackCoat is almost 30% solvents (that evaporate away) which means that per every gallon, you only end up with about 3/4 of a gallon of actual solids. When we apply a bedliner, we spray in about 4 to 4.5 gallons of solvent free solids which ends up as a thickness of about 3/16" on the bed and about 1/8" on the sides. To get the same thickness out of BlackCoat, you would have to buy about 5 or 6 gallons of BlackCoat which would cost you $825 to $990.
3. In order to apply BlackCoat, you will also need to prep the bed. You will need, paper, tape, acetone, gloves, brushes/roller, POR-15 solvent (for thinning and clean up), and probably a day or two of your time.
This si why I asked your opinion, POR has a new truck bed coating system out at 255 bucks but that is still a lot of other stuff needed to complete the job. This stuff has it's place in the industry to stop rust. But this may not be one those places.
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Well, it's just my opinion, that these sorts of products like Herculiner, Durabak, Duplicolor, Pow-R-liner, etc. are basically the bottom of the barrel as far as bedliners are concerned. That isn't to say that they don't have some value though. But, I just can't see someone applying that stuff in a brand new $30-$40K Toyota Tundra. It's like spending $2,000 on a Yamaha stereo receiver and then going to Walmart and buying a pair of $19.99 speakers for it.
Re: Rhino-Liner vs. Speedliner opinions (No Line-x)
I just had a spray-in liner(polyurea) with lifetime warranty, applied to my new 08CM Limited TRD wonder wagon and I must say I am completely satisified. Job was done last Friday morning. The product is called "Gator Hyde". I had it in my 04DC and it was without tears and very little fading. I got it done and OTD for $325.
Especially this part...
Fact is, I was rather "BLESSED" (in the fact) that I have 2 good friends in the spray-in bedliner biz. One with LINE-X and the other, with SPEEDLINER. My friend with Speedliner, managed to throw a great "sales ptich" my way, about how much stronger Speedliner was over Line-X, which actually turned out to be somewhat unfounded. Anyway, it ALL boiled down to... WARRANTY. And I'll bet... if I asked my friend with Speedliner one time (about his "warranty policy") I KNOW I asked him, more than a dozen times! Each time, he skirted the issue. 
I finally got tired of asking. One call to my friend with LINE-X, and he offered me the warranty info... up front. 
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