BT-22, I had the most tasty leftover Calzone today ! Some stuff is better the next day
GOOD ONE!!!
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Originally Posted by yrainsage
Your points are valid, I think SMC has gotten a bad rap due to the door outer panel/stepside outer fender flimsy reputation. But have you seen the Tacoma bed floor? It's not your Saturn composite door panel. It's thicker, more rigid, and it's got humongous ribs on the underside. Shopping cart bounces into the bed floor of the Tacoma, it's not going to oilcan in and out.
Plus, there's more than one kind of SMC, right? There's no way the Tacoma bed SMC is the same as those stepside outer fender panels?
Also, you must have noticed that Toyota did not put composite material on the outer fenders. They must have considered the issues you saw.
Yep, I think we are going to find out whether this SMC holds up, because we are stuck with it for a while.
Finally, my guess is that your future Tundra is safe from the SMC technology scare. Watch out for bedliner-induced rust...
You're right I haven't seen the Tacoma yet so I may be giving it a bad rap. I'm just tired of seeing big companies like GM, Ford, & Chrysler shove this sheeet down our throats and call it technological advances.
Toyota is also getting dirty. Remember our Tundras brake problems!
I'd hate to see Toyota follow down the road already traveled.
We will see. I'll let Chris work this out and see what Toyota has to say. Then I'll give the bed a year or two to make a final decision based on the problems others have had. By then, there should be enough time to have the new Tundra with a bigger engine. Time to invest again!
Enjoy the Calzone!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're right I haven't seen the Tacoma yet so I may be giving it a bad rap. I'm just tired of seeing big companies like GM, Ford, & Chrysler shove this sheeet down our throats and call it technological advances.
Toyota is also getting dirty. Remember our Tundras brake problems!
I'd hate to see Toyota follow down the road already traveled.
We will see. I'll let Chris work this out and see what Toyota has to say. Then I'll give the bed a year or two to make a final decision based on the problems others have had. By then, there should be enough time to have the new Tundra with a bigger engine. Time to invest again!
Enjoy the Calzone!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can we forget about ever ending Tundra Brake problem"s aint that the truth might want to read this they tryed to buy me off on that problem (sorry doesnt work that way ) fix it or else http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photo...cat/500/page/3
My questions: Is Chris getting a replacement bed? Is Toyota following up close? That's the important thing here.
Hey yrainsage,
Are you sure you've read this entire thread? I think Chris has already indicated in here, that they're [Toyota] gonna' replace his bed with a new one.
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Originally Posted by anvilt
I've been thinking about this for a few days. After seeing the two gouge marks on the front of the bed near the crack, I started to wonder. Could it be possible that the two are related? Chris said he had probably 500-600 lbs. of gear in the bed (a pretty good load) along with the shell on top. If he were in rough terrain, could that load have shifted on a downhill slope and slammed into the front of the bed? A sharp metal object could have been driven into the bed surface making the two gouge marks and the bed could have cracked from the weight/impact of the gear pushing forward on the bed wall. In that case, the shell would have nothing to do with the damage. This is purely speculation, I'm just trying to figure out what happened here
EXCELLENT POINT... there anvilt! It's definately, another consideration?!
__________________ 2004 SR5 Double Cab 4x4 w/TRD Pkg. Mods to Date:
16" 5 Spoke Brawn Enkei Wheels, Keyless Entry, Line-X Bed Liner, Challenger Running Boards, Husky Floor Liners, Bug Flector II (painted to match), Colegan Bra, Borla Dual (Side-Exit) Exhaust System, 2" Wheeler's Coil Lift, TRD Add-A-Leafs Mods to Come:
265/75/16 BFG A/T's, Possible Mods:
Seat Covers, 3M Clear Bra (hopefully... just cost so friggin' much!)
I realize there are many of you here, who've posted in this thread, who either actually own a new '05 Tacoma, have one on order, or are considering one. Having said that, it's certainly very understandable "why" most of you are... shall we say... a little less than, objectionable on this issue. After all, this is the Tacoma Forum! Heck, if I had a brand new truck, which I'd just paid $20G's+ for and others (who don't own one) were throwing out negative feedback... well... hell yeah! I'd be on the defensive too!
But honestly, I think EVERYONE is intitled to their honest opinion here. That's what TS.com is ALL about! Say what you gotta' say once... your opinion's well taken, but repeat yourself, again-n-again and it looks as though, you're gettin' defensive, and (in point-of-fact) you probably are. And that's O.K., it's a little expected especially, if you're are a new Tacoma owner. But seriously gentlemen, the last two pages are... for the most part... just post, which are basically repeating ourselves, over-n-over, wouldn't you say?
One or two of us have asked for "feedback" with numbers to support a given opinion, showing costing, etc. I think 123Gone, gave that info, yet it wasn't what one or two really wanted to here. Unfortunately, these "ARE" the facts. 123Gone, makes a living keeping up with this info, so I have little reason [at all] to doubt his info is the least bit... biased... even if he is, a Line-X dealer. Not to mention, it's probably the most accurate info out there right now as well! That's what makes him a successful businessman, because he does offer the facts, thereby, giving a potential customer, the opportunity to make a well informed decision! IMPO... it certainly wouldn't do him the least bit of good, to offer us less than accurate info anyway. Especailly, when that info is ASKED for!
I think most of the negative feedback for the new Taco's bed, is coming from a long history of ALL truck owners, having an honest belief, in that, a truck... should have a steel bed. And, let's face it guys, you are NOT going to change [though argument, etc.] the majority of the truck owning public, who feel SMC beds have no place (as a bed material) in a truck, especially overnight! And after seeing and reading of Chris's problem, that's just serving to further give the "general" truck owning public, MORE reason to doubt this material as a compairable soruce for a repalcement, for the good ole' standard... steel!
I doubt we'll ever really know the final outcome to this very touchy issue. Even after Chris's problems are fully resolved. The fact is... it's just simply, WAY too early in the game for now. This time next year though, we may ALL have a different opinion. All of us, for right now, can honestly, do little more, that speculate! That said, until we ARE better informed on this issue, there will always be 2 sides! On one side... the ole' die-hards [like myself] who believe in the steel bed, and on the other... those who have this new technology and are willing to defend it... indefinately!
Right now, I'm just hoping everything goes well for a fellow TS member (Chris) that his issue, will be resolved to his liking. And once he does get the chance to test his new bed, that he'll keep us all informed as to what happens. Although, if it were me... I kinda' doubt, I would try my luck for a second time! I'm sure you've heard the old saying... "once bitten, twice shy"!
Finally, let me take a minute here, to thank all of you (as this forums moderator) for keeping things civil on this matter. It's very appreciated... to say the least!
Dave
__________________ 2004 SR5 Double Cab 4x4 w/TRD Pkg. Mods to Date:
16" 5 Spoke Brawn Enkei Wheels, Keyless Entry, Line-X Bed Liner, Challenger Running Boards, Husky Floor Liners, Bug Flector II (painted to match), Colegan Bra, Borla Dual (Side-Exit) Exhaust System, 2" Wheeler's Coil Lift, TRD Add-A-Leafs Mods to Come:
265/75/16 BFG A/T's, Possible Mods:
Seat Covers, 3M Clear Bra (hopefully... just cost so friggin' much!)
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How many cracked beds do you guys think we'll see in a year's time?
I should start a thread poll (not going to because it's stupid ) and ask how many cracks should it take before Toyota should revert back to the old beds...
I'll start the crack counts...
O - N - E...
This is an absolutely great idea.And make the post sticky. That way we will all know just how bad and wide spread the problem is. And if it is a wide spread problem it will give the people tring to fight it some ammunition to work with.
where did this come from? actually the bed design prior to the 88 toy's box was not coated with any type of anti-corrosive base, and consiquintly rusted out in half the time. the bed was still made of the same grade of steel all the way up to the present 04 steel beds.
It's coming from owning a '79, '86, '88 and '91 Toyota pickup and seeing how the bed integrity has gone backwards. You couldn't bend that '79 bed by tying down anything. It was structurally sound and had great mounting points. The '84 to '88 beds were also good beds, but since the new style came out in '89, you could bend the walls of the bed just by tying down a dirtbike.
Yeah, they weren't coated with anything, and the '80s beds had the famous cancer spots, but they were a lot stronger than all of the beds in the Hilux and Tacoma since '88. Same grade steel, maybe, but thinner.
Ryan
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Not trying to pick on you here KAuss, it's just that your posts stand out more than most ... so don't take this the wrong way. It's just a discussion forum.
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Originally Posted by KAuss
1) Show proof of Toyota cutting cost with numbers... Just because you THINK it looks cheap dosen't usually mean it cost less...
You just said a few posts ago that, "they're moving in that direction while saving me money and weight..." That has no fact to back it, but your asking everyone else to back up their stuff? You said it's cheaper, but now you're saying it's not?
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Originally Posted by KAuss
4) You obviously base your decisoins on someone else's findings... Take it upon yourself to judge a Tacoma after you driven one...
Wait... you don't have the truck yet, so quit telling everyone else to stop judging it. We're ALL basing this situation on someone else's findings.
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Originally Posted by KAuss
I should of looked at the poster's name before I even said anything, now I feel like I wasted a lot of time... The name itself already spells out Tundra fan boy telling us why he dosen't like the Tacoma...
Back off man... I don't know of any Tundra owners here who don't want it's little brother to shine. There's even a lot of Tundra owners debating on trading in for a new Taco. I'm one of them.
This thread is bringing in new posters and being plastered all over the internet. That's awesome. It's good for the forum and it keeps things interesting. There are a lot of first-time posters and new members signing up just to post in this thread. They always bring a fresh idea into the mix and ask great questions. Good to see
Ryan
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I've had 1500 lbs of gravel, concrete block and landscaping material in my '05 last weekend. No problems. Got back from Truckee, where it gets about 20 degrees. No problems. This cracked bed is an isolated incident. Come on, at least the ball joints don't break like Dodge!
I've had 1500 lbs of gravel, concrete block and landscaping material in my '05 last weekend. No problems. Got back from Truckee, where it gets about 20 degrees. No problems. This cracked bed is an isolated incident. Come on, at least the ball joints don't break like Dodge!
Did the gravel and block scratch or gouge the bed in any way?
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Back off man... I don't know of any Tundra owners here who don't want it's little brother to shine. There's even a lot of Tundra owners debating on trading in for a new Taco. I'm one of them.
Ryan
Ryan,
Can I ask why you are debating on trading your Tundra for a Tacoma? If I end up not keeping the 05 Tacoma I was thinking of trading up to an 05 Tundra... I was assuming that it would be as good or better than the Taco, only bigger.
Can I ask why you are debating on trading your Tundra for a Tacoma? If I end up not keeping the 05 Tacoma I was thinking of trading up to an 05 Tundra... I was assuming that it would be as good or better than the Taco, only bigger.
Thanks,
Chris
edit: PM Sent instead
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Reason: Didn't want to hijack
Its mostly maid in mexico.At least up till now the drive train in the tacomas was built in japan. I own a 2002 dbl cab and a 2004 ext cab. Last one I will ever own. The bed on the 2004 dosent fit right on the frame.It had a water leak from day one.It had trash in the paint in 3 different places.The only way toyota will listen is just stop buying the over priced trucks! The bed of the 2005 is like having a bed liner with no bed underneath it.Good luck! Sorry you had to find out the hard way.Plastic is ok for fender flairs but not the floor of the bed.They just keep getting cheaper and cheaper.Get rid of it and buy an older one thats been taken care of.I know there are people that will dispute the point.I have owned nothing but toyotas since 1982 till 2004.I have watched the quality go down the tubes over the years and its not getting any better!
Not trying to pick on you here KAuss, it's just that your posts stand out more than most ... so don't take this the wrong way. It's just a discussion forum.
You just said a few posts ago that, "they're moving in that direction while saving me money and weight..." That has no fact to back it, but your asking everyone else to back up their stuff? You said it's cheaper, but now you're saying it's not?
Wait... you don't have the truck yet, so quit telling everyone else to stop judging it. We're ALL basing this situation on someone else's findings.
Back off man... I don't know of any Tundra owners here who don't want it's little brother to shine. There's even a lot of Tundra owners debating on trading in for a new Taco. I'm one of them.
This thread is bringing in new posters and being plastered all over the internet. That's awesome. It's good for the forum and it keeps things interesting. There are a lot of first-time posters and new members signing up just to post in this thread. They always bring a fresh idea into the mix and ask great questions. Good to see
Ryan
It's all good, what I said about the truck being saving wegith and money was a hypothetical statement... As for the looking cheap and costing more statement, that is for the truck in general, engine, power train, wheels, door panels, interior, stuff like that since people kept arguing how they're cheapening the whole truck...
As for taking someone's opinion... I've actaully test drove the truck twice and drove it more than 15 miles... I've spent more than 5 hours with the truck and this is all before even paying for it... I didn't come to the concultion of buying it off a forum It was through seeing it in person...
I've already talked to Erik about my post He's been the most mature person I've ever seen online, so yeah many great things to get from this forum...
hmmm daz not good. not at all... this may change my mind
edit: didn't include the comment of the quoted party
but it says that the bed is like a liner without the bed under it which is right technically, but it actually is the bed and the liner is probably about 1/10th as thick (just guessing)
See this is what I'm talking about when someone base the truck on someone else's non factual opinion...
I know this is a forum and I'm here to have fun, I never intended to shut anyone up It's just so obvious that some things are so exaggerated that I want people to start understanding the facts from the fiction Or lead them to finding it out on their own
! Some stuff is better the next day 
might want to read this they tryed to buy me off on that problem (sorry doesnt work that way 
) fix it or else 
And that's O.K., it's a little expected especially, if you're are a new Tacoma owner. But seriously gentlemen, the last two pages are... for the most part... just post, which are basically repeating ourselves, over-n-over, wouldn't you say?
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