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This is a discussion thread titled "Best all-terrain tires in mud?", within the Off-Roading forum, part of the General Forums category.
None of them, unless the TrXus M/T is considered "All Terrain". I know a lot of people who like that tire, but it's not a pavement pounder or daily driver unless you're always in deep snow or off in a muddy field somewhere.
Void ratio and lug placement that make a tire "A/T" also make them poor in mud.
Mud tires generally have less than 50% of the surface as tread, A/T tires more like 60%+. Mud packs up in the smaller voids of an A/T, and the lugs don't dig or paddle like the lugs of a mud tire.
Look at Interco's website for a variety of mud-oriented tires...the more they're specific to mud, the more the tread begins to look like a paddle.
Big-O makes a tire called an X/T, it's a void ratio between their A/T and M/T and they're great in the snow...where A/Ts often need more bite, but M/Ts dig too much. I'm sure other manufacturers offer "M/T" branded treads but are more road friendly, and probably fall between traditional mud designs and A/T designs. Maybe a Nitto or Maxxis would do the trick? My BFG AT/KOs are horrible in mud.
The only terrain an all-terrain can't handle is mud.
Check out the Cooper Discoverer S/Ts. All the all terrains suck in mud, period. The S/Ts are better than most, however. If you want real mud traction you need mud terrains and a locked axle.
there is no such thing as a good all-terrain in mud, they all suck. i have only had 2 true all-terrains, bfg and the nitto terra grapplers. Personally i liked the terra grapplers better all around for off-roading, which is pretty much just mud down here. But they still weren't all that great.
Thanks for the info guys. I've got the bf mud-terrain km on my tundra i like them alot. I was just curious on all-terrains for when im ready for new tires.
If you're already used to the ride and noise of mud terrains then I wouldn't switch to A/Ts. The only advantage to A/Ts is their street manners and longevity. Get your M/Ts siped and watch the tire pressures and you'll get close to A/T handling on the street and in the rain. You won't get quite as much life out of the tire, but it's worth the trade off if you actually travel offroad.
My BFG KO's suck in the mud as well. Its hard to keep the lugs clean and they dont bite in. I havent had a M/T but if i get some it will prob be bfg m/t's
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2007 Tundra Crew Max 4.7 TRD 4x4
285/65/18's with BF Goodrich All Terrain KO's
BedRug, Undercover, Bed Extender, Husky Liners
I used to have the BFG A/T KO's. They were good tires on the road and had good bite off-road. But, as everybody already said, they really lacked in the mud. I actually got stuck with them on (mostly driver error really ).
I now have skinny 33" BFG M/T. I also bought a tire groving gun and siped them. I have been extremely pleased with these tires so far. And since I have siped them, they have much better manners on wet roads and snow covered roads (It's snowing now! )
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If you're going to live with an all terrain you've got to compromise on your "mudability", that being said the Cooper ST is a far sight better at mud than the BFG AT.
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Last edited by jim65wagon; 02-12-2008 at 03:59 PM.
If you're going to live with an all terrain you've got to compromise on your "mudability", that being said the Cooper ST is a far sight better at mud than the BFG AT.
Prob b/c the lugs look bigger and the pattern itself looks like it will churn through Mud better.
__________________ TUNDRA786
2007 Tundra Crew Max 4.7 TRD 4x4
285/65/18's with BF Goodrich All Terrain KO's
BedRug, Undercover, Bed Extender, Husky Liners
Agree with everyone about A/T's. I'm running Toyo Open Country M/T's and I have been VERY impressed! The street manners are excellent. Very quiet on the highway/freeway. Even passed the wife test for quietness. These suckers really bite into the terrain and shuck out the mud and snow all day long and never seem to clog. I also tow a 26' 5,600 lb travel trailer and these are a load range "E" tire, perfect for towing. I've run the psi as low as 13 for playin' in the snow and up to 55 for towing. ZERO problems. I now have over 40,000 miles on my set (no flats or repairs) and they look good for at least another 10,000. I rotate and balance every 3,000 miles and that is key for longevity of any tire.
Here's how they looked when they were brand new (more pics in my gallery on and off road - click the little camera thingy):
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I'll be switching from an MT tire to an AT tire. I don't see a lot of mud so, I'm not worried about that factor. My truck is a daily driver but, I try to go up to the trails as much as I can.
The AT tires I'm looking to get are the following in a 35" or 37": Dick Cepek FC II, Procomp Xtreme AT's, Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ radials.
None of those would be my first choice due to price, but I would say definitely stay away from Procomp. All their products are sh*t made popular by heavy marketing with the offroad mags.
Best all-terrain tires in mud?
TUNDRA786
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David~2001 Toyota Tundra 4X4 TRD SR5~SSautochrome headers~Single 2.5" exhaust w/ Flowmaster 50 series delta flow muffler~K&N FIPK intake system w/True-flow filter~ASP underdrive pulley~Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar(removed)~Powertrax No-slip~Bilstein 5100 front and rear w/AAL~Diff breather mod~255/85 BFG M/T on Wheelers Black Steelies Type B~Custom Rocksliders~Skid Row front skid plate~Custom Transfer case skid plate
These suckers really bite into the terrain and shuck out the mud and snow all day long and never seem to clog. I also tow a 26' 5,600 lb travel trailer and these are a load range "E" tire, perfect for towing. I've run the psi as low as 13 for playin' in the snow and up to 55 for towing. ZERO problems. I now have over 40,000 miles on my set (no flats or repairs) and they look good for at least another 10,000. I rotate and balance every 3,000 miles and that is key for longevity of any tire.
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