What yotas have sas?

[Quentin18]

Whats Toyotas have SAS? Like what years? And what one(s) do u think would be the best to buy?
The reason i'm posting here insted of Suspension, is because im wanting it for offroad. And feel otherwise it would get lost anywhere else besides here.

[apimpdad]

85 and older have a factory solid front axle. 85 is the best year to get because it is also the first year of EFI.

[Blender]

1997 and earlier land cruisers.

[Quentin18]

Would u say a 4 runner, landcruiser, or a pick up. Is more capible offroad.
Mainly like rock crawling and trails type offroading.

[apimpdad]

I would go with the early toy pickup truck. They have leaf springs all around, which make it easier and cheaper to modify for off road.

[Quentin18]

dont the old runners and cruisers have leaf's?

[editmars]

Don't buy the early 3.0 V6. Gutless and notorious for blown head gaskets. The 4cyl (22r/22re) is a great motor that is pretty peppy, lasts forever, and is an easy easy engine to work on

[Quentin18]

Originally Posted by editmars

Don't buy the early 3.0 V6. Gutless and notorious for blown head gaskets. The 4cyl (22r/22re) is a great motor that is pretty peppy, lasts forever, and is an easy easy engine to work on

I heard that once. I made sure to stay away from them when I was looking for my first truck. Specifically looking for a good taco. Then some how ended up with a 6.5k over my budget Tundra.
And now im getting into wheeling it. And from my experience so far, the more I modify and wheel it it the easyier it is to "break" it. So I figure im gonna finish getting my problems out of my Tundra, im still gonna keep it. Then as soon as I Save up 2k or so ill buy an old sas yota. Then I dont have to worry about jacking up body panels and breaking my Daily Driver. Even tho ill probly drive both trucks as a dd and an offroad vehicle.

[RBLTOY]

Originally Posted by Quentin18

I heard that once. I made sure to stay away from them when I was looking for my first truck. Specifically looking for a good taco. Then some how ended up with a 6.5k over my budget Tundra.
And now im getting into wheeling it. And from my experience so far, the more I modify and wheel it it the easyier it is to "break" it. So I figure im gonna finish getting my problems out of my Tundra, im still gonna keep it. Then as soon as I Save up 2k or so ill buy an old sas yota. Then I dont have to worry about jacking up body panels and breaking my Daily Driver. Even tho ill probly drive both trucks as a dd and an offroad vehicle.

My suggestion.....if you want to wheel the tundra build that up and use it for a dd and have the other yota as a backup "if" something does break or vise versa cept use the tundra as the DD if your going to wheel the taco...your talking about splitting your funds on two vehicles now when the easier route is to choose one, build it and use it. When you start building two trucks on a limited budget your gonna run out of the funds quick. Pick one, build it up and then if your not happy with it...well sell it and build the other...You will get much more out of building the one than you will trying to do both and then running out of funds and having two incomplete trail rigs unless you are like jjc and just have some unlimited budget to spend :P haha, no offense we know its not "unlimited" per say but damn close! but back to subject...the taco is a more lightweight and capable offroad vehicle imo than our tundras because of the size and capability to go on the smaller trails...once you start looking into the suv styles you need to be careful as there is alot more risk of tipping if your not as familiar...they are top heavy and when lifted/built if not modified to the fullest very dangerous rigs. Roll cages are a must! (of course not so much if your not on tough trails)

Anyway the decision is yours, wheel with what you are comfortable with, i chose the tundra myself for more room...and not to mention it is my DD so i use it for the family too.

[Quentin18]

Originally Posted by RBLTOY

My suggestion.....if you want to wheel the tundra build that up and use it for a dd and have the other yota as a backup "if" something does break or vise versa cept use the tundra as the DD if your going to wheel the taco...your talking about splitting your funds on two vehicles now when the easier route is to choose one, build it and use it. When you start building two trucks on a limited budget your gonna run out of the funds quick. Pick one, build it up and then if your not happy with it...well sell it and build the other...You will get much more out of building the one than you will trying to do both and then running out of funds and having two incomplete trail rigs unless you are like jjc and just have some unlimited budget to spend :P haha, no offense we know its not "unlimited" per say but damn close! but back to subject...the taco is a more lightweight and capable offroad vehicle imo than our tundras because of the size and capability to go on the smaller trails...once you start looking into the suv styles you need to be careful as there is alot more risk of tipping if your not as familiar...they are top heavy and when lifted/built if not modified to the fullest very dangerous rigs. Roll cages are a must! (of course not so much if your not on tough trails)

Anyway the decision is yours, wheel with what you are comfortable with, i chose the tundra myself for more room...and not to mention it is my DD so i use it for the family too.

Well if I buy and old yota, then I wont modify the tundra anymore. Ill keep it the way it is, with the 285's and the little lift. And ill prettymuch only modify the old yota. But ill still go wheeling with the tundra probly. But the main offroad vehicle will be the old yota.

[apimpdad]

Originally Posted by Quentin18

dont the old runners and cruisers have leaf's?

The old runners have leafs in the front and coils in the rear with a 4-link type setup, which is a pain to modify, hence why a lot of people just convert the rear to leaves. I am not sure about the land cruisers, but I wanna say they have coils all around.

[Quentin18]

so what are advantages of coils and leafs? and dissadvantages?

[editmars]

Leafs are easier to work with, its old school technology. Coils and links take a little more effort to set up properly. The coil-sprung 4runners are a 5 link, which is really not considered to be great off the bat, but with effort can be great. My boss has 3 late 80s single cabs, all SASed, and 2 4runners, not SASed. A pickup is just that much simpler to work on, wheel, and just to deal with

[DevinSixtySeven]

Yeah...pickup way easier to deal with. You want to build the back, no worries about the bed since it's completely separate from the cab. Build the front, just cut the core support away.

Take a look in the for sale sections at Pirate, TTORA, YotaTech and other places, see if somebody has a retired rig they're selling, or a beater they're looking to unload that you can make a project.

If you want something that can be driven on the road to any trailhead and run the hardest trails no problem, check out a Formula Toy chassis, from Hendrix Motorsports. You can get them through Front Range, here in Colorado...you'd need to call Brian or post on their forum about it, I didn't see it listed on their website (just a quick glance...it might be buried), but I know they are a fabrication source for the Hendrix chassis and shipping would be easy...honestly you could drive your Tundra over to Red Feather (CO) with a trailer and pick it up. It's 1500 for a basic chassis, you basically drop it over a Toyota frame, engine, suspension, and so forth, provide whatever parts you want...it's the cheapest, easiest way to get in to a tube buggy and I'm pretty certain since you're using OEM parts other than the body itself that you'll have a street-legal vehicle. You'd have to doublecheck with Hendrix and look at the UT vehicle code and whatnot, but I've seen quite a few tube buggies with plates, so it is possible. Getting the chassis doesn't make it badass, more like there's no sheetmetal and it's a ground-up build, so you can do whatever you like to the suspension and drive it however you want, cuz there's no worry about turning it in to a raisin.

Approach and departure angles can be better with links, if you build the chassis that way...with leaves you gotta have something in front and behind the tire, with links you only need something from the axle to roughly the center of the vehicle.

I'm pretty certain the FToy class requires leaves, but if you're getting this as a trail rig with no intent to compete, there's no reason to run leaves. Links are more expensive, simply because coilovers are more expensive, you have to buy all the joints, design the geometry, and so forth. Unless you're a competent welder, it'll be far easier to use leaves.

Don't be afraid to cut the Toyota umbilical cord. There are plenty of excellent parts out there...the strength of a Toyota is the reliability of the powertrain, while there are plenty of strong axles. If you happen to find a 44/60 combo, or manage to junkyard a 60/C14 or something crazy, there's no reason not to use it. When you decide you want a trail-oriented build, there's no reason to stick with any particular brand, as long as the parts are durable.

-Sean

[dsrtrcr01]

1985 4 runner or Truck. Solid axle and EFI. Pretty much the exact same vehicle but one can seat more people. I convinced my father in law to buy one. Put a 4 inch lift on it and he goes where all his friends in their jeeps go.

The 3.0 V6 is a GREAT engine and IS far from Gutless (compared to anything offered those years and the toyota 4 banger). Expecially if you do some mods. It has it's issues like head gaskets and power steering pumps. BUT they did not make them in a Solid axle vehicle so no need to worry about it. Stay away from the old land cruisers. Just big/slow/heavy vehicles.