In-Cab Roll Cage?

[prkiller]

Sorry, but anyone putting a roll cage in there street truck is asking for death. That is just plain stupid.
Roll cages belong in race vehicles, not street vehicles. Roll bars are another thing, but roll cages are a no no.
If you have a roll cage, the only time you should be getting in the car is with a SA00 or newer helmet!

[jjc]

Originally Posted by prkiller

Sorry, but anyone putting a roll cage in there street truck is asking for death. That is just plain stupid.
Roll cages belong in race vehicles, not street vehicles. Roll bars are another thing, but roll cages are a no no.
If you have a roll cage, the only time you should be getting in the car is with a SA00 or newer helmet!

With such a definitive statement one can only conclude that you have done extensive statistical research to support this fact........so if you do not mind, based on your findings please share with the rest of us the number of "deaths" specifically caused by roll cages in street vehicles over the past several years. Sorry, I am embarrassed to sound "plain stupid" once again, but please enlighten me on why "roll cages are asking for death" and "roll bars are another thing"?

While I will agree 100% that a poorly designed, fabricated, and installed roll cage could definitely increase the chance of personal injury in the event of a traffic accident, it is also my opinion that a properly designed, fabricated, and installed roll cage will not lend itself to a more likely chance of causing occupant injury. I am so glad that this is a friendly, family-oriented forum where individuals can hold such debates, while acting like adults and reframing from calling each other names such as a$$hat. I would encourage you to share your knowledge on this subject over on the Pirate4x4.com board in the Toyota Forum also. I hope the engineers over at JEEP realize that they are putting 1000's of people in harms way with those roll cages that they are putting in their vehicles!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your input and concern for my safety.

[Supertundruck]

I have an in cab roll cage and an external 'roll bar' in my truck. My head is nowhere near any type of tubing associated with the roll cage. If I ever get into an accident on the street and my head gets banged around, my head will hit whatever is in the way the same way you will in any 'stock truck' with no roll cage.
When I do take my truck offroad I do wear a Snell SA2005/DOT approved full face helmet(with neck support), along with my 5 point harness, just for safety sake.

[dsrtrcr01]

Originally Posted by prkiller

Sorry, but anyone putting a roll cage in there street truck is asking for death. That is just plain stupid.
Roll cages belong in race vehicles, not street vehicles. Roll bars are another thing, but roll cages are a no no.
If you have a roll cage, the only time you should be getting in the car is with a SA00 or newer helmet!

Funny. A cage makes things safer. If you do not know how to build a cage and run bars near your body then I assume you can be correct. From your statement they belong in race vehicles which do alot more unsafe things then those on the street and are involved in higher speed crashes and just more danger all together. So if a cage was a BAD thing then NO race cars would have them. Since ALL do then I would assume they make the car safer and would work the same on a street driven vehicle.

As for Roll bars they are for looks. Bolting a tube to sheet metal(TruckBed) does little for safety. Also they become airborn and do more damage once the truck starts rolling. Ask me how I know. Go ahead

I believe that I have been in enough roll over crashes with vehicles that have and do not have cages to know that I would rather be in a vehicle with a cage. But that is my thoughts. Take a picture of the cab of a truck that went over 4 times and see if it looks as good as this does



Weird how we got some one calling others stupid over a safety item like a cage. I would expect this if we were a LEO talking about getting rid of the 105 mph speed limiter on our Tundras so we can race another vehicle with our kids in the car on the way from Vegas

[prkiller]

I guess it depends on what the purpose of the vehicle is. But I don't believe in roll cages for street vehicles. Your head contacting a bar in not the same as your head contacting anything else in the truck. Granted, there is quite a bit more room in a truck, than a car, but I still would not want one in my street vehicle.

I did not call anyone "names", but I stated that I thought putting a roll cage in a street car/truck is dumb.
I qualify a roll bar as something that is behind the front seats inside the vehicle and is only a main hoop with rear braces. A roll cage includes the "front" part of the cage with the A pillar bars and door bars.

I qualify my statements by citing that I build roll cages. Have not done much truck stuff, mostly production based race cars. Does that make me an expert, no. But I sure do have a much better understand of what goes on than the average joe. My opinion does still stand though.

If your doing stuff dangerous enough to need a roll cage, then that vehicle probably does not belong on the street anymore.

Again, these are just my opinions, and you know what they say about those!

No disrespect intended by my posts. I am just trying to educate that 19yr old out there reading this that thinks it would be really cool to put a roll cage in his truck!

[jjc]

Originally Posted by prkiller

I guess it depends on what the purpose of the vehicle is. But I don't believe in roll cages for street vehicles. Your head contacting a bar in not the same as your head contacting anything else in the truck. Granted, there is quite a bit more room in a truck, than a car, but I still would not want one in my street vehicle.

I did not call anyone "names", but I stated that I thought putting a roll cage in a street car/truck is dumb.
I qualify a roll bar as something that is behind the front seats inside the vehicle and is only a main hoop with rear braces. A roll cage includes the "front" part of the cage with the A pillar bars and door bars.

I qualify my statements by citing that I build roll cages. Have not done much truck stuff, mostly production based race cars. Does that make me an expert, no. But I sure do have a much better understand of what goes on than the average joe. My opinion does still stand though.

If your doing stuff dangerous enough to need a roll cage, then that vehicle probably does not belong on the street anymore.

Again, these are just my opinions, and you know what they say about those!

No disrespect intended by my posts. I am just trying to educate that 19yr old out there reading this that thinks it would be really cool to put a roll cage in his truck!

Definitely differing opinions, but point taken .

[shelbix2020]

It dosnt matter what you do with your vehicle that makes it need a roll cage or not ... if its street legal, its street legal. I havent heard any rules about a roll cage being illegal in a street vehicle, therefore it must not be THAT dangerous. I do agree that if a cage is poorly designed you could come in contact with a bar, but more cages are being built properly now days and people know what to look for.

I think every car/truck should have a cage

And as for the 19 yr old ... They need one more than anyone! lol

[wylcat]

Originally Posted by shelbix2020

I havent heard any rules about a roll cage being illegal in a street vehicle, therefore it must not be THAT dangerous.

I dont think they are "illegal" in any states, but I am pretty sure that in some states that require a vehicular safety inspection they do check for certain issues such as clearances. I think it fulls under the "if its there" it has to be at or above a state standard... I believe Virginia has some Legal mumbo jumbo about padding and visual obstruction limitations.

[prkiller]

Originally Posted by shelbix2020

It dosnt matter what you do with your vehicle that makes it need a roll cage or not ... if its street legal, its street legal. I havent heard any rules about a roll cage being illegal in a street vehicle, therefore it must not be THAT dangerous. I do agree that if a cage is poorly designed you could come in contact with a bar, but more cages are being built properly now days and people know what to look for.

I think every car/truck should have a cage

And as for the 19 yr old ... They need one more than anyone! lol

What I am saying I guess was not understood. It's not a question of legality, nor a question of "could you come in contact with the bars". Let me settle that question for you. You WILL come in contact with the bar. That is a constant. If you have ever studied crashes and body movement in a crash, you will see that in a violent collision, a properly secured person moves around a lot. Seat belts stretch, and you do move around. That is the way it's designed to work.

Just because it's legal does not make it safe.

You do have a little extra head room in a large cabin like the tundra, but your not gonna tell me that a civic has the same head room to put the cage in.

If you want, think about this. It's not the HUGE roll over and crash that I am mostly talking about here. It's the simple crash that your head would normally bounce off of say, the plastic covering the a pillar or what not, maybe even you arms and legs bouncing off parts. If they hit the roll cage, the may not just "bounce" off, they will more likely break!

[shelbix2020]

Well first off were not talking about civics here ... and I dont see why its your problem or why your worrying about it?

I know its not a legality thing, I was just pointing out the fact that its not that unsafe. There are tons of things that are safer than stock but not DOT approved, its rediculous. ie: Uniballs are not DOT approved from what I hear.

Anyways, Id rather have a cage incase of a 70mph rollover than no cage at all. Most people that get a cage for their truck are smart enough to get a 5 point harness to hold them securly in place and maybe a racing seat or 2.

[PointCrossed]

Originally Posted by prkiller

I guess it depends on what the purpose of the vehicle is. But I don't believe in roll cages for street vehicles. Your head contacting a bar in not the same as your head contacting anything else in the truck. Granted, there is quite a bit more room in a truck, than a car, but I still would not want one in my street vehicle.

I did not call anyone "names", but I stated that I thought putting a roll cage in a street car/truck is dumb.
I qualify a roll bar as something that is behind the front seats inside the vehicle and is only a main hoop with rear braces. A roll cage includes the "front" part of the cage with the A pillar bars and door bars.

I qualify my statements by citing that I build roll cages. Have not done much truck stuff, mostly production based race cars. Does that make me an expert, no. But I sure do have a much better understand of what goes on than the average joe. My opinion does still stand though.

If your doing stuff dangerous enough to need a roll cage, then that vehicle probably does not belong on the street anymore.

Again, these are just my opinions, and you know what they say about those!

No disrespect intended by my posts. I am just trying to educate that 19yr old out there reading this that thinks it would be really cool to put a roll cage in his truck!

Thank you for your opinion, and I am glad you placed it here but no offense your initial post should have been expressed therefore you probably would not recieve negative responses because it seemed biased, completely objectionable, and condescending...

I completely understand that placing a roll cage in a street vehicle can be a serious problem, not to mention, voiding your insurance policy, but this is an "OFF ROAD" forum, not a typical vehicle thread or forum, so please direct those suggestions to those forums whenever necessary.

Also, when looking at a collision at this point, if someones head hits anything in a vehicle (flying cell phone, full sealed can of soda) even the glass or pillars, depending on the object there will be some amount of head trauma...

I agree that kids might read this and with a little money and a free home depot welding class can get themselves in alot of trouble...

Therefore being role model I feel I am, I am going to say this:

Kids, Please leave the fabrication and modification of any vehicle to professionals and that vehicle should only be used on a racetrack or closed course and not on any public street....

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

With all that said, please excuse me for being condescending and lets carry on with the thread....

[prkiller]

Yes, sorry for going off topic!

Help JJC get ideas for putting a cage in his badass truck!

[trfytoy]

Just a FYI--- The first tundra pictured that was red then black has trailer products fiberglass (the 6 inch flare) http://off-roadfiberglass.com sencond then kid who ownes now lives in Arroyo Grande, Ca. I see it on the freeway and driving around town. Def. one sick truck.

[trfytoy]

ohh and prkiller... I think anyone that lives even remotley close to the Valley should have a cage in their street trucks. Have you seen the homemade disco crap that comes out of there? LOL (you know what i'm talkin about)

[Crx722]

i dunno if he was lying, but a guy justin i know said he currently owns that black tundra in cali or something, showed me some different pics of it.