Which other competing trucks can the Tundra take off the line?
What are some of your guys experiences in racing other trucks off the line like at a stoplight (as in acceleration) - like the Dakotas (mid and full size)? I havent had my truck very long but I've yet to encounter an F-150 that I didnt make look like they were standing still - How do the GMCs etc stack up?
I've never had a problem with the fords or the dodges. I've gotten taken by a few chevy's tho. I lined up with one a couple months ago that absolutely destroyed me. He was runnin a 100 shot of spray tho too.
My Tundra has walked away from numerous triton f-150's without trying too hard. I raced a 5.9 litre full size Dodge and that required more effort to pull ahead. If it were a Dakota w/ 5.9, the Tundra very likely would have lost. I also have a new GMC Sierra Z71. I'd have to say the Sierra will beat the Tundra.
f-150s are a given. I was driving the Sierra (ext. cab 4wd) with a 700 pound Honda Foreman ES in the back when I pulled up next to a F-150 (reg. cab 2wd) with loud exhaust and dual Chrome pipes coming the back end. He was in the right lane that ended a 1/4 mile down the road. Just as I thought, when the light turned green, he wasn't going to let this Jimmy get ahead of him so he poured the coal on--I can tell because of how loud the showy chrome twin a$$h---s coming out the back were just ROARING!
I decided to go aw the heck with it, if I lose, he won't able to tell that I'm trying cause his raucus POS would drown out my quiet yet effective exhaust. Well as it turned out, I ran past him well before his lane ended and I was hauling an ATV!
Needless to say, he lingered WAY back in traffic. I guess that's an example of where the saying "strong silent type" came from.
At least he had the brains to end the ford futility right away. I've had fords come back for more when driving my Tundra. They were probably determined to not let that "furrin POS beat my 'murrican truck". Then they press on driving like idiots because they are pissed off.
Yeah, I too have been dusted but I'm at least sporting enough to catch up to the winner at the next light and give a thumbs up or a complement regardless of who makes the car/truck because they won.
I've had pretty good luck against anything I think I can Beat, ha, ha. Of the new american full sized the Chev with the 5.3 is the most challanging. I have found though, that the person driving is the determining factor. There is not enough of a difference between the Chev and Tundra times to make one stomp on the other. As I have raced them and I have a close freind with one, the chev with simular reaction times will ususally jump you right out of the hole. However the Tundra usually will pull on the Chev when you hit about 2700 rpms and catch up. From there on it is back and forth 1/4 truck length til 80 when I let off cause I don't think beyond that you have much to prove. They are that close. So if you have a fast foot you will probably win unless he is not stock. Fords are slow, Dodges are way slow, unless Lightning or Dakota R/T. Don't put aftermarket exaust on and expect to get out of the hole real quick. I put the TRD dual setup on mine and it's a dog off the line. If this truck had a little more steam right on the bottom end watch out.
Originally posted by gtaylor Of the new american full sized the Chev with the 5.3 is the most challanging. I have found though, that the person driving is the determining factor. There is not enough of a difference between the Chev and Tundra times to make one stomp on the other.
I definitely agree with this statement. My Sierra has the 5.3 and while faster, it's not by very much. Timing and driver skill can make a difference between this pair of trucks. I thought of mentioning this in my previous post, but it is quite long as it is.
While I have never been beaten really (except a ford lightning) I have had many close calls. Quite a few of them was where I hesitated and then went to see if they were racing. IF I plan on getting on it then I usually get the jump on most people and never have to look back. That is how I beat a mustang gt one night. I new we were going to race, launched at a high rpm, got traction quickly, it was cold out, and he didn't kill it off the line. Needless to say I beat him up to 70 mph without a problem. After that I let off so I would not get my story spoiled.
Well I often say street racing is dangerous and stupid but I'm guilty of a few as well. I try to avoid it though as I myself would have been killed as a child by motorists street racing if it weren’t for my quick thinking friend who pulled me out of the way just in time. It really should be done at a much safer drag strip.
I've raced a similar year 5.3 from a rolling start and put two + trucks on that one by 80 (couldn't resist and late at night). When I went to the track I beat a Ford Lightening to the 60-foot mark (2.4 vs. 2.6). I also tried to race a modified regular cab Chevy with the 5.3 and he left me like I wasn't even trying (he was stupid fast). That race lased all but three seconds and I didn’t exceed the speed limit. I think he sprayed too!
I remember one time when I first got my truck I was just accelerating quickly (half pedal) from a light and I could hear and see this Ford F150 next to me with its engine roaring. The guy was looking over with that look on his face and probably thinking I was racing him when I was not. He didn't pass me until I got up to speed and let off the pedal. Dummy!
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I put the TRD dual setup on mine and it's a dog off the line.
I've been trying to tell people that the TRD dual exhaust or any oversized exhaust kills the low end torque for a year now. Most people don't believe me I think!
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My best 60 foot time was 2.1 and I ran a 15.6 @ 91mph on that one. It was a pretty good run.........I do remember on that run the transmission shifted a little different then normal. I am not sure why and it hasn't done it since, but I think that is where the high mph came from???
I haven't had any races from a dead stop but I don't try to get into any either. However there is this red Chevy truck with a 5.7L that I seem to come across quite often on my way home from work. He pulls out onto the street (two lanes each way) kind of slow and then when you go to pass him he nails it hard to keep every one behind him.
SO! Once I got my Tundra broke in a little I knew who I could get good run from. I rolled the gas on easy but to the floor and sailed right on by him. My truck didn't even shift out of overdrive.
Funny thing is I haven't seen his truck since.
Originally posted by v8Toilet Well I often say street racing is dangerous and stupid but I'm guilty of a few as well. I try to avoid it though as I myself would have been killed as a child by motorists street racing if it weren’t for my quick thinking friend who pulled me out of the way just in time. It really should be done at a much safer drag strip.
I agree. I avoid street races and don't initiate them. The times I've done it the traffic and road conditions were pretty safe. More often than not, I give the knucklehead the road and maybe stop for a soda to let him get plenty of distance away from me.
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I've been trying to tell people that the TRD dual exhaust or any oversized exhaust kills the low end torque for a year now. Most people don't believe me I think!
Yeah but it looks and sounds cool and lower back pressure means more power right? Not always. All engines need some backpressure to properly scavenge the gasses. In fact some two stroke engines will not run at all without the backpressure of a properly tuned exhaust. I think Toyota did a pretty good job with the stock exhaust in getting the low end grunt that trucks need. At least for trucks that haul stuff.
I have occasionally come across situations that required me to "assert myself" (usually, when I'm at a light and the road necks down by a lane shortly after the intersection, or on freeway onramps). If the other vehicle is a Lightning or high-performance type car, I don't bother. As far as the other pickups, I've only had one close match, against a newer GM (Chev/GMC, don't remember which). I don't know what engine it had, but I'm guessing the 5.3L, and it was also a 2wd ext cab. He got a small jump on me from the start and we stayed neck-and-neck (my front bumper at his front door) until I let off around 50. There was an Avalanche that tried to cut me off on a lane change that then dropped behind me, into the left lane and tried to pass me (apparently to try and cut me off again). I could hear him revving out next to me and I didn't even have to kick out of OD to match him. I finally had enough, so I floored it, pulled quite far ahead of him and lost him in the traffic.
Fords are pretty entertaining from the look of suprise on the owners faces. I had a guy run me 3 lights in a row, and finally ask me about my truck at the 4th light. He had a 2wd F150 ext cab 4.6L w/ exhaust and possibly other mods. I dusted him so badly each time with my 4x4, it wasn't even close! He couldn't believe that the Tundra engine is only 4.7L, 245hp and my truck was really a 4x4! I had a SuperDuty diesel run me (one of those lane ending situations), he maybe jumped ahead 6-10' at the green but within a second I was already passing him and he was almost at my back bumper as I crossed the intersection. My roommate has an older Lightning ('94 w/ bone-stock 5.8L "GT40" motor) and a 2002 Ranger FX4 4.0L 5spd automatic and we've faced off a few times. The Tundra easily outruns the Ranger, although you wouldn't think so riding in both -- the Ranger "feels" much stronger. The way it revs out to around 5,500-5,800k, shifts to 2nd and only drops to around 4,800-5,000rpm, then revs back out, shifts to 3rd, drops to 4,800-5k again, revs out, shifts to 4th, etc... I can only imagine what the iForce would feel like with a close-ratio 5spd auto like that! The Lightning will mop me up from a stop. The torquey 351, 4.11 gears, 3:1 1st and lighter weight really jumps off the line! Once he hits 4k in 1st, though, the truck noticably drops off until after the (somewhat sloppy) upshift. So he pulls away, hits 4k and stops pulling away for a while, shifts to 2nd starts to pull away again, hits 4k and stops pulling away until 3rd. We've never run past about 60mph, but by that time he's a couple truck-lengths ahead. The funny thing is, I can almost match him from a running start, around 20mph. The E4OD is really sluggish to downshift, where the Tundra's A340 downshifts almost instantly. Plus by the time the E4OD is in 1st again, the revs are nearing the 4k range where the power starts dropping off while the iForce is in the "meat" of it's powerband. I'll pull away a little bit until he hits 2nd, then he'll start pulling away a little after each upshift as before.
Dodges same as Fords. Never run a Hemi. The 4.7L Rams are dogs (my buddy has one) and the 5.9's aren't much better. Had a kid run me in mom's V8 Grand Cherokee (4.7L) and I was actually suprised how easily I could outrun him (a couple of truck lengths by 60mph, three lights in a row). Did have an interesting experience against an obviously modified Cummins Ram. This guy came up behind me hauling serious butt and got caught at the light next to me, which was just before a freeway onramp. I wasn't expecting a race, so didn't get on it from the start. He punched it, lit 'em up and took off and was almost past me before I decided "what the heck" and joined in. I had to say I was pretty impressed with that Dodge, aside from the billowing black smoke from the 5" (minimum) tailpipe! He kept pulling away from me up to 60-70 mph when I started catching up.
Get the charger, then only the lightnings can beat ya, and even if you jump ahead cause they were not racing, they will catch ya, and pass ya! Actually nothing touches me now except for muscle cars and the like.
let me preface by acknowledging what a couple of you said - esp. in CA - you can lose your car for 'street racing' on your 2nd offense (I believe lose license for 1st)- however - maybe there is a misunderstanding here - I was simply asking about straight acceleration from a dead stop (as in 0-60) - "racing" someone like this and then letting off the throttle is NOT street racing (at least in the eyes of the law) and is simply exhibition of speed. Now if you're doing 80, 100, or even 60 MPH, weaving in and out of traffic, etc - then you should take it to the track - simply punching at a stoplight for a few seconds is no different then when you lay on the throttle for a few seconds anytime else...there just happens to me someone else next to you - the problem comes when people cant control themselves and push it too far - I always let off the gas after about 50-60mph - if you can pull someone "off the line" in the first few seconds - I think that proves the point - at least it does for me - and thats all I was asking - thanks for the responses by the way - very interesting...
I'm like indecline. Most of my races don't go over 60 mph, and aren't ever in heavy traffic. However I wish that I could take it to a track, but in my hometown we don't have one. The closest track is about 2 hours away, and I don't think its worth a 4 hour drive for a few quick passes at a track. JMO.
Which other competing trucks can the Tundra take off the line?
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