So how many more taxes can they lay upon you before you consider it a burden? Taxes are a form of socialist, they take money from the "haves" and redistribute it to the "have nots".
I only ask when you will consider it a burden as I would like a newer Tundra so I was figuring Uncle Obama could take just a little more from you and spreat it my way.
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As long as people get buried without being a financial burden on the living, that sounds reasonable.
Well Hick,
The fact that they are ramming this through, on the weekend, when they think no one is looking should give even a liberal mind some reason to pause. You aren't suspicious at all? Do you think those voting have read all 2000 pages? If we are so evil, one has to wonder how we survived so long without a single payer system?
It's quite ironic, these liberals will never get over the fact that we had slavery in this country, I wouldn't doubt we'll see reparations one day. But one could make the claim that slavery is alive and well in this country, and around the world for that matter. Working half the year for free (to pay off all taxes), we are all slaves to the gov't. And we are the bad guys for saying, enough is enough. You have read all the reports that show this bill will RAISE insurance premiums in the U.S.
I still find it interesting(disturbing?) that Canadians want so badly for the U.S. to follow them down the road to Socialism.
/Mike
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I still find it interesting(disturbing?) that Canadians want so badly for the U.S. to follow them down the road to Socialism.
You know what they say, misery loves company.
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If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that!
-- Milton Jones
Salaries of CEOs of Health Insurance Companies comes from health insurance premiums.
I realize that many people don't want their taxes paying for the uninsured or the welfare bums. However, what can be found different between a welfare bum the taxpayers have to support, or the corporate bum (ie: CEO) that the health insured people have to pay so much for?
There is definitely something wrong with this picture:
Most of those figures are because CEO's are paid, in large part, with stock and options. 2003 - 2007 saw dramatic increases in the stock market as a whole which caused CEO compensation to appear way out of whack for every industry. Take a look at United Health Care's chart since that article was written and you will see that the same CEO probably saw a significant decrease in the value of that compensation. As long as they aren't whining about the downs of the market, I'm not going to vilify them for profiting during the ups.
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Songdog
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Ever talk to anyone in the U.S. that has gone bankrupt due to healthcare costs? Talk to one and then for comparison talk to a Canadian that has gone bankrupt because of healthcare costs. You won't be able to make the comparison because you won't be able to find a Canadian that went bankrupt due to healthcare costs.
Stuball
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Ever talk to anyone in the U.S. that has gone bankrupt due to healthcare costs?
Yes, my brother in fact. He realized he was stupid for not having insurance and dealt with the BK and moved on. I would still contend he received better and more timely care here than he would have in Canada.
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I have never experienced healthcare from south of the border so am unable to make that comparison.
Stuball
The cancer survivability statistics are pretty telling. It all comes down to a trade off, do we want lower quality health care available to everyone, or high quality health care available to those who take the responsibility to get insured.
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Songdog
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that!
-- Milton Jones
The cancer survivability statistics are pretty telling. It all comes down to a trade off, do we want lower quality health care available to everyone, or high quality health care available to those who take the responsibility to get insured.
I certainly disagree that lower quality health care results from making it available to everyone. The U.S. may be a few percentage points above Canada on cancer survivability, but when you consider the number of people that die each year because they have no health insurance, then that would make it about a 100% difference between Canada and the U.S. If your looking at statistics then you may also find that, on average, Canadians live longer than Americans, and I'm sure that is not due to the freeze-your-azz-off climate that Canadians endure.
Eliminating the middle man (ie; health insurance companies) frees up a great amount of the healthcare costs, that in return can reduce healthcare costs. That is exactly what happened in Canada back in the '60s when they brought in their system.
Stuball
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Every health care system experiences some form of rationing. Here, it is rationed based on who can afford it and the seriousness of the condition. The fact is that illegal aliens and those without insurance receive tens of billions of dollars of FREE health care in this country already. In socialized systems, it is rationed based on what level the government is willing to, or can afford to supply. It is not infinite. This means that many experience longer wait times for treatment, lower quality of treatment or medication, having to travel further to receive medical care, etc. This too will lead to some deaths that could have otherwise been prevented. There is no perfect system.
Since I can afford health insurance for my family, it makes sense for me to support the current system rather than support yet another social wealth redistribution system. I work my azz off to make sure my family is taken care of. I don't want to have to work harder, or give up more money because there are others out there who don't take their responsibilities as seriously as I do.
As far as what reforms I would suggest, I say criminalize insurance companies wrongfully denying claims and start prosecuting those who make those decisions. Top that off with some serious tort reform and get the lawyers and malpractice under control and it will make much more of a difference.
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Well lets see, A doctor goes to yale or harvard so he can make better money and looks good on resume. Agree? and i am engaged to a doctor so i know the answer is yes.
Now, we get socialized meds. The doctors now have a set pay, which is good, but, since the pay is now lowered it is no longer feasable to goto yale or harvard, why would you when u make the same money as a graduate of University Of Local state. There is no incentive to push forward, there is no incentive to try to over achieve, cause we all know doctors do the work cause they know its for the better of humanity, and not because they can make shite tons of money.
Really, will the standard of health care remain the same? how could it when u remove any kind of incentive.
but that is one silly argument as doctors will just continue at lower pay when no other buisiness worker would? They are such better people.
As far as what reforms I would suggest, I say criminalize insurance companies wrongfully denying claims and start prosecuting those who make those decisions. Top that off with some serious tort reform and get the lawyers and malpractice under control and it will make much more of a difference.
I agree 100%...points sent.
However, the tort reform might create other problems. In light of the U.S.A. having only 5% of the world's population, but having 70% of number of lawyers in the world, can you imagine how long the line-up of lawyers would be at the employment office.
Stuball
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