Guns & Ammo (Not the magazine) PART 2

[BT-22]

I'm looking for a good 40 Cal. gun to 1.) carry in my truck & 2.) that has good lasting quality, stopping power, and a safety.

I'm an average gun aficionado worried about an increase in car-jackings in our area. Of course, I'm not going to go gun-ho on people I just want a little extra security and another caliber other than my 9MM.

I have a Glock 19 and a Ruger KP89 9MM. Both are good except the Ruger's trigger is a little harder on the squeeze than my Glock. I'll probably take it to the gunsmith to work on.

I've heard good things about the 40's stopping power and have yet needed, and God willing will stay that way, to use my guns @ home or in my ride.

All comments and suggestions are welcomed and appreciated!

BT-22

I was looking at this model: http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProd...=3425&return=Y

[tundrabrad]

Go with the Walther P99C (Compact) brand new for 2004! It's in their 2004 catalog but not on their website yet. I can't wait! 10 rounds in a compact, very cool! The choice of 007, of course!

Here's a link to P99 info:

http://www.waltheramerica.com/p99_specs.htm

Here is a better link to the German site with Compact information:

http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/...fense-103.html

More info:

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/Walth...AQ/VIII/7.html

You have a choice of 3 trigger configurations that aren't well explained on the site - check a P99 out a local gunshop.

Enjoy!

Eells, Brad Eells
Walther PPK/S-1

[tundrafire]

If I were a potential car jacker and I found myself looking down the business end of any gun, I believe it would make me change my course if action .
Either one of your 9's should prove effective in that situation, especially at such close range. If you found yourself having to draw a weapon, I'm thinking/hoping that the "visual" would be enough to deter them.
If you're determined to get a 40, and I see you're already a Glock owner, the model 23 has always treated me right. It's my "American Express" card when I road trip, you know, "Don't leave home without it!"

[Lazy Ace]

I can assure you that a 9mm has plenty of stopping power. You really don’t have a need for more fire power, however, if you you’re looking for a new toy that you will hopefully never need a Walther would be my choice.

Personally, I stopped carrying when I left Viet Nam, but hey, that’s just me. I truly hope you never feel the need to drop the hammer. It ain’t like the movies…..trust me.

[Lalo]

Oh yeah.

[BT-22]

I've been grazed by a 9mm across my back and that hurt like hell. I also caught some heat from a buckshot about 100 yards away and it lodged a few in my back, just flesh wounds though. I pray I never get shot at again. But ever since then I always carry. I have a Kimber Ultra Carry and it has never failed me. Become an ace marksman and it wont matter what you shoot them with.

Thanks for all the replies. I'm pretty good with either 9MM. If I do get a 40 would it be easier to go back to the 9MM or is the recoil difference insignificant?

[Lalo]

Recoil doesnt effect a great shot as much as it does a rookie. I've always found Sig Sauer to be the easiest as far as recoil goes. But then I'm used to shooting snub nose Rugers with +P loads.
I think Mausberg has what you need. Mount that bad boy to you dash and they wont think twice.

[BT-22]

The thing I like about the 9's is that they are hi-cap as opposed to the 40's with max of 10+1.

I know accuracy is important and that with either gun a one time hit is better than the ability for multiple hits.

For practical purposes the 9 is less expensive in ammo and the high cap ability is better for practice.

[Lalo]

true, true. I wish CA laws werent so strict.
It gets very expensive to practice target shooting with a .40 or a .45 even with reloads.
You ever been skeet or trap shooting? Lotsa fun helps with your aim too. with a rifle anyway.
Sad my Mom shoots trap better than I do, sh*t she even owns more guns than I do.

[BT-22]

true, true. I wish CA laws werent so strict.
It gets very expensive to practice target shooting with a .40 or a .45 even with reloads.
You ever been skeet or trap shooting? Lotsa fun helps with your aim too. with a rifle anyway.
Sad my Mom shoots trap better than I do, sh*t she even owns more guns than I do.

Of course, I would imagine that the 40 will not be fired much so expense will hopefully not be a problem. And if as you mention recoil is not a problem then going from one to the other and aim hopefully will not be a problem.

My concern is being used to the 9MM that the move to the 40 might throw me off.

No, I've done no skeet or trap shooting. So, your mom is way better than I am. That's one mom you don't want to mess with.

I still get amused at how old timers and some hard core 40 cal peeps down play the effectiveness of the 9MM over the 40.

I heard this oldtimer tell a soldier back from Iraq that their army issue 9's were toys.

[tundrabrad]

I heard this oldtimer tell a soldier back from Iraq that their army issue 9's were toys.

I heard some of the Special Forces boys in Iraq dug out some Colt .45's because the Beretta wasn't getting the job done...

I figured if I could get a larger caliber in the same package, that it would be a good thing. My buddies will stop giving me a hard time about my .380 'popgun'. A .40 S&W is cop round - for real men, right?

Brad

[BT-22]

A .40 S&W is cop round - for real men, right?
Brad

That's what I hear too! But my 9MM seems to be a pretty good gun if I need to put someone down.

Maybe not, who knows.

[Johnny Law]

If you're determined to get a 40, and I see you're already a Glock owner, the model 23 has always treated me right. It's my "American Express" card when I road trip, you know, "Don't leave home without it!"

I agree with tundrafire. I can carry either the 22 (I do) or the slightly smaller 23. "In practice, so shall you use" If you have been familiar with the Glock, keep it, if you ever need to use it, it will be like second nature to you.

[matttom]

So far everyone else has made good points. I'll add my 2 cents, I didn't see anyone mention how the gun fits! I carry the Glock 22 which is the large frame 40. The 23 is a small gun I did not like how it felt my hand. I have small to medium sized hands and it felt like I could hardly hang on to it.

So my advice is to check out a couple of brands and shoot them to get a feel.

[utah]

You already have a Ruger, so why not get one of their P944 series? If you are going to be carrying it in your truck, are you going to keep it there? If you are then I would get the cheapest (inexpensive) most reliable gun I could get and you can not beat Ruger for cheap and reliable. Your location is Texas, you should be able to find a gunshow close to your location and you should be able to find one for under $400, matter of fact there is one on Auctionarms.com currently setting @$325. All of this is just my $.02.