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Old 02-14-2007, 08:13 AM
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Go figure ~ Sulejmen Talovic (the teenage triggerman) was a Muslim immigrant from Bosnia.
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Go figure ~ Sulejmen Talovic (the teenage triggerman) was a Muslim immigrant from Bosnia.
but its wrong for us to say we need to close our borders to immigration.
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Old 02-14-2007, 10:47 AM
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but its wrong for us to say we need to close our borders to immigration.
Uh, it doesn't say he was an ILLEGAL immigrant.

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Uh, it doesn't say he was an ILLEGAL immigrant.

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i know buddy we need to learn how to close our borders period.
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Hey,
Islam is a peaceful religion...just ask them, they'll tell ya.
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He was a Leagal imagrant. Got his green card a few years back. At least that is what the news said.
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That is the point here ~
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Normally the only gun at these sheep-shoots is the one the criminal has.Glad to see there was a GOOD GUN at the scene this time! You don't have to be an off duty lawman to "off" garbage like this but you gotta be armed.
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Old 02-14-2007, 02:36 PM
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Normally the only gun at these sheep-shoots is the one the criminal has.Glad to see there was a GOOD GUN at the scene this time!

You don't have to be an off duty lawman to "off" garbage like this but you gotta be armed.
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Well said!
Dang right...

Just another example why we need to continue to fight for our rights to bear arms... By the time LE shows up the situation will be all over, including the lives of innocent people.

Speaking of which, if we do have to wait for LE to take care of the situation everytime we'll just have another LA bank heist on our hands. I imagine most departments have improved their arsenal, and the training as well but I think most areas lack or are limited in their response teams. If something like that were to happen here in town... the cops would be outgunned. They'd probably have to borrow some weapons from the NG armory, or call on some local gun nuts to help. Gun shops? Yeah, I guess the closest shop, across the border in NH, has a few AR's and maybe some 308's and some other hunting calibers.
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Dang right...

Just another example why we need to continue to fight for our rights to bear arms... By the time LE shows up the situation will be all over, including the lives of innocent people.

Speaking of which, if we do have to wait for LE to take care of the situation everytime we'll just have another LA bank heist on our hands. I imagine most departments have improved their arsenal, and the training as well but I think most areas lack or are limited in their response teams. If something like that were to happen here in town... the cops would be outgunned. They'd probably have to borrow some weapons from the NG armory, or call on some local gun nuts to help. Gun shops? Yeah, I guess the closest shop, across the border in NH, has a few AR's and maybe some 308's and some other hunting calibers.
Up until Columbine, the standard procedure for active shooters was for the officers first on scene to set up a perimeter and wait for the SWAT team to arrive. After Columbine, departments started training regular patrol officers on how to handle an active shooter. The first officers on scene now immediately go in and "neutralize the threat." However, your point of being out gunned is still an issue. I know my department allows patrol officers to use shotguns and maybe some AR-15's (or a similar rifle) after the appropriate training.

Are you referring to the shooting where the gunmen were wearing body armor? If you are, there was nothing the first officers on scene could have done about that.
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Up until Columbine, the standard procedure for active shooters was for the officers first on scene to set up a perimeter and wait for the SWAT team to arrive. After Columbine, departments started training regular patrol officers on how to handle an active shooter. The first officers on scene now immediately go in and "neutralize the threat." However, your point of being out gunned is still an issue. I know my department allows patrol officers to use shotguns and maybe some AR-15's (or a similar rifle) after the appropriate training.

Are you referring to the shooting where the gunmen were wearing body armor? If you are, there was nothing the first officers on scene could have done about that.
I heard that the cops actually went to a gun shop to get better armed in that battle.
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It was an off-duty cop who shot and killed the gunman. This is why I always carry off-duty.

Utah has a very liberal (i.e. it is easy to get one) ccw gun law. I was surprised no one else in the mall was packing.

I don't think religion or ethnic background had anything to do with it.

The last time I checked, it was mid-west white boys and men who have been responsible for some of our country's most recent mass killing sprees.
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I heard that the cops actually went to a gun shop to get better armed in that battle.
Yes, they did. They got some high-powered rifles to better combat the suspects.
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I don't think religion or ethnic background had anything to do with it.

The last time I checked, it was mid-west white boys and men who have been responsible for some of our country's most recent mass killing sprees.
Good point.
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