Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by chuff
I'm not saying electric motors are not powerful or don't offer any advantages like instant torque. The examples you guys point out don't use batteries, they are powered by a third rail, overhead cable (trolley) or a dedicated diesel engine (locomotive). I don't know but I believe to expect 30mpg is very optimistic with a hybrid system. There is no way a hybrid drive system as we know them right now will double our mileage.
Lets take the Prius for example, that car alone without the hybrid drive could probably get 40 or more mpg. A mid to late eighties Honda Civic hatchback or CRX gets around 44mpg. With the hybrid system people are only getting 45 - 55mpg out of the Prius, that's hardly better than an 88" Honda CRX. Depending on how much stop and go regenerative braking can be done. That's not a lot of gain, and that car is not pulling around much weight, let alone a trailer, nor is it a big V-8 or pushing a brick through the air.
"In '84, the 1.3 liter Civic CRX achieved an impressive EPA reading of 51/67 mpg (city/hwy)" http://arstechnica.com/reviews/3q00/...insight-1.html That's a better rating than the Prius without a hybrid system. If you could only find one in decent shape it's probably a better deal than the current hybrids.
Like I said earlier unless batteries are improved dramatically or we pull an extension cable behind us the gain will be minimal. A normal diesel would probably provide as good or better mileage than a gas hybrid.
In the next year or so, EPA requirements on diesel engines will make them a 10k choice add-on. That's what I read anyway.
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by looknow12
In the next year or so, EPA requirements on diesel engines will make them a 10k choice add-on. That's what I read anyway.
I never did see the big deal with Diesel Never did care for them Much less wouldn't ever drive one.Far as there cost Let them go up Diesel never was appealing to me as a customer but more of those who require towing large load's and The Rv type of buyers who demand Pulling power ..
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by chuff
I'm not saying electric motors are not powerful or don't offer any advantages like instant torque. The examples you guys point out don't use batteries, they are powered by a third rail, overhead cable (trolley) or a dedicated diesel engine (locomotive). I don't know but I believe to expect 30mpg is very optimistic with a hybrid system. There is no way a hybrid drive system as we know them right now will double our mileage.
Like I said earlier unless batteries are improved dramatically or we pull an extension cable behind us the gain will be minimal. A normal diesel would probably provide as good or better mileage than a gas hybrid.
You are right about one thing and that is about the prius and it getting only 40 MPG, most likely in the city. The ones I have driven I have gotten between 45 and 55 mpg, and I was really light on the pedal, but it was consistant. When you get on the throttle in a prius expect to get 40 mpg. The prius only has a 7 gallon tank (guessing), so when I filled it up thats when I felt the savings. I drove about 1050 miles and I only filled it 3 times. The reason is that some may say its still low mpg, for one reason it still uses Heavy NIMH batteries instead of lithium ion. If you know anything about lithium batteries especially when using cameras they last 4-5 times longer than alkaline and make the average nimh battery seem like a birthday candle. When the batteries have to charge they run off the engine, while the engine is doing the work, and when it works it has to push all that weight so actually the engine is inefficent at that time especially if your foot is in it. The lithium batteries are much lighter and take up less space for the voltage output. Like in my last post, the battery technology is available. The problem may be incorporating it into the Hybrid system. In other countries there are already full electric cars, and golf carts and work trucks that use lithium power, and yes they are cordless until they are parked. There is a story floating around the net about a guy that made an electric sports car that drove from LA to Vegas on one charge. If you search around here you may find a prius that has done the same on a tank of gas, probably a challenge that prius and highlander drivers rage about.
Best thing for you to do is to use use that internet access to the fullest and do a google search on electric vehicles, and stay away from the homemade stuff...
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
Hey, Toyota......................until this hybrid thing gets settled, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SMALL, FUEL EFFICIENT TURBO DIESELS that would get as good or better mileage than the current Prius with no friggin' batteries............(this is a recording.)
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by 4.7-4V
Hey, Toyota......................until this hybrid thing gets settled, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SMALL, FUEL EFFICIENT TURBO DIESELS that would get as good or better mileage than the current Prius with no friggin' batteries............(this is a recording.)
Jeeze......Don't they listen at all?
ah, like music to my ears! It may have been covered on the board, or maby even in this thread somewhear, but the sulfer content of the diesel we have here in the states makes it impossible for (small) diesels to meet current emmissions standards. That I believe is scheduled to change. By 07, the sulfer content is suppused to be droped signifigantly, opening the door to small diesels.
As it stands now, you can have a small diesel but you got'a build it your self.
I Would consider buying a hybrid, if it was DIESEL, and they didnt make it look like a freaken space ship, the newer tundras already have that tendency, which is why I will drive my 2000, for the next twenty years, like I did my 85 (diesel now, 25MPG and still on the road)
The following is a quote from ToyotaDiesel.com
I called the number and so should you guys who wand a Toyota diesel
In Great Britain Toyota offers 10 turbo diesel engines for their toyotas and we here in the U.S. don't even have one! They offer a 4.2L 24v TD in their land cruisers that would be a great motor for our Tundra's. How many of you would like the option of a turbo diesel in your tundra? Here are the #'s to help persuade you from the toyota uk website. In their land cruiser the 4.2 td make 201 bhp and 317 ft lb torque from approx 1,600 to 3,200 rpm. mileage? How about 20mpg city 25.5 mpg highway, not to mention lower CO2 emissions than the gas motors ( the main gas responsible for global warming). Please call toyota at 1-800-331-4331 then option #3. They will take your name,#,address and add you to the file. If we get enough responses to them the guy I spoke with said we could get a diesel as an option in the near future.
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by lkm46
ah, like music to my ears! It may have been covered on the board, or maby even in this thread somewhear, but the sulfer content of the diesel we have here in the states makes it impossible for (small) diesels to meet current emmissions standards. That I believe is scheduled to change. By 07, the sulfer content is suppused to be droped signifigantly, opening the door to small diesels.
Levi
That was the old excuse. The new standard for Diesel fuel is 15 parts per million of sulphur and it's being produced now. This ultra pure fuel will allow direct injection and common rail injection that's so critical to high fuel efficiency in Diesels.
Come on, Toyota!! Give us some small, turbo charged, high revving Diesels like the Europeans have!!
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by PointCrossed
You are right about one thing and that is about the prius and it getting only 40 MPG, most likely in the city. The ones I have driven I have gotten between 45 and 55 mpg, and I was really light on the pedal, but it was consistant. When you get on the throttle in a prius expect to get 40 mpg. The prius only has a 7 gallon tank (guessing), so when I filled it up thats when I felt the savings. I drove about 1050 miles and I only filled it 3 times. The reason is that some may say its still low mpg, for one reason it still uses Heavy NIMH batteries instead of lithium ion. If you know anything about lithium batteries especially when using cameras they last 4-5 times longer than alkaline and make the average nimh battery seem like a birthday candle. When the batteries have to charge they run off the engine, while the engine is doing the work, and when it works it has to push all that weight so actually the engine is inefficent at that time especially if your foot is in it. The lithium batteries are much lighter and take up less space for the voltage output. Like in my last post, the battery technology is available. The problem may be incorporating it into the Hybrid system. In other countries there are already full electric cars, and golf carts and work trucks that use lithium power, and yes they are cordless until they are parked. There is a story floating around the net about a guy that made an electric sports car that drove from LA to Vegas on one charge. If you search around here you may find a prius that has done the same on a tank of gas, probably a challenge that prius and highlander drivers rage about.
Best thing for you to do is to use use that internet access to the fullest and do a google search on electric vehicles, and stay away from the homemade stuff...
I didn't say the Prius only gives 40mpg, I said anywhere from 45 to 55. I do however believe the Echo was rated around 40mpg, I think the Echo and Prius were basically the same. I did say that there are other cars out there, mostly older, that get as good or better mileage than the Prius without the complexity and added expense of the hybrid system. If an 84 Honda CRX is rated at 67mpg highway why don't they just build something like that and then we wouldn't have to pay for the hybrid expense.
Like you said though, batteries are the key here. They need some pretty freaking good ones, but with that comes more expense. A guy will have to pay out the nose, I know of lithium ion in cell phones, laptops, etc... Don't they cost alot more if not twice as much?
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by My03Tundra
Not all Tundras suck. Just yours... j/k.
I love mine, and it has been extremely reliable and trustworthy for me.
Hey Now I like his red Tundra even with the chrome (urge) Let's be nice
The 07 Tundra with it's 5 wheel lug's does raise the question On towing larger Load's Hopefully Toyota has a heavy Duty Tundra like the Ram does with 8 wheel lug's
Re: New hybrid Tundra would you buy one if offered?
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Originally Posted by My03Tundra
Those wheels may be for the low-level or entry level truck, and they may have one with six lugs. Who knows...
that was a 07 Tundra Limited at the show and I agree those wheels Sucks aftermarkets would be 10 time nicer even if you looked at the Lexus Ls430 which my friend has His wheels look plain jane Boring just like these wheel's Toyota provides. Picturing a new 07 with spinners and that new wheels you can download your image and drive in style (LOL) Oh well still aint my style But it's downright funny to see...
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