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This is a discussion thread titled "Bend over Canadians.....", within the Pricing and Dealers forum, part of the Marketplace Forums category.
So Toyota Canada finally updated their website with pricing for the 08 Tundra.....loading up a crewmax (with nav, rear entertainment, sirius) we see a list price of $57,400 (excluding gst) and the comparable truck in the US lists for US $ 48,294 or roughly $45,560 Canadian....So we see a difference of almost $12,000......bloody criminal I say.....
(a drop of about $1800 from 2007....wow, way to go toyota! awfully generous of you! )
So as Canadians, what to do??......wait until the RIV hopefully gets updated to allow the 08's in? Try to find a 07 that complies? refuse to buy a toyota and look at other manufacturers? check out the titan??
What do you guys think? What would you do? Chime in people and do not hold back what you think.......I know Americans will not take this issue as seriously as the Canadians but damn this is unconscionable actions by Toyota.......Perhaps the best solution is to simply hold off the new vehicle purchase.....hit them in the pocketbook......
Last edited by cliff clavin; 11-09-2007 at 10:34 AM.
As I have said before, I can't afford to buy a Tundra CrewMax Ltd. in Canada. I would have liked to have bought this vehicle in Canada in order to support my local dealer, but Toyota Canada has made it impossible for me to do so.
I suppose a letter writing session by Canadians to Toyota Canada might make them feel bad. We would certainly find out if Toyota Canada is as easily "shamed" as Toyota in Japan.
somehow I doubt Toyota Canada feels much shame.......I certainly hope people hold off on buying new toyota vehicles.....that is the only pressure the company will understand.....
lets hope the riv list gets updated and allows the 08's across unconditionally....
apparently the list was updated yesterday and thats is when the tacoma and tundra were put on the inadmissable list....It has to do with the engine immobilizer and uncertainty over whether it meets the new canadian standard....there are a couple of threads in this area which have spoken at great length regarding this.....Toyota USA is quite happy to be on the inadmissable list so I suspect they will frustrate any efforts to have the vehicles removed....sleazy, very sleazy....
Manitoba Gov't insurance gives you a rebate if you install a immobilizer. Obviously they did their homework to find out which aftermarket immobilizer will not affect manufacturers warranties. so if this is the only reason they can come up with to not meet the RIV requirements, they are going to have to try a little harder......
So far the list, off the Top of my head, for incentives is:
Kia
BMW
Ford
Dodge (we've all heard by now there selling at US prices at alot of dealers)
Volvo
Prosche
Volkswagon
Nissan has dropped there MSRP alomst $10K on loaded Titan.
Toyota????????????? or as I now call them:
Troll-yota Canada
__________________ 2008 Tundra CrewMax Limited 4x4 5.7, White w/ oak leather, Moonroof, NAV, Factory 20's, XM.
2006 Nissan Murano SE Black, Loaded, Black leather, 20" Dubs
2005 Corvette C6 (#581) Coupe 6 spd Black, Loaded, Black Leather, Navigation, XM, Onstar, HUD, F55 Magnetic ride, Z51 Brakes/calipers/sway-bars, Route 66 Exhaust, Intake, Custom Tune, 160 stat. Only 2 runs at the track...12.4s @116mph
What do you guys think? What would you do? Chime in people and do not hold back what you think.......I know Americans will not take this issue as seriously as the Canadians but damn this is unconscionable actions by Toyota.......Perhaps the best solution is to simply hold off the new vehicle purchase.....hit them in the pocketbook......
I'm a bit annoyed with all that complaining about Tundra prices up in Canada. The Canada is not the USA. I don't see anybody complaining about the prices of German made cars sold in US. Tundra is made in USA and this is a very different and more competitive market than Canada, and I'm sure many law provisions are different too. It takes a lot of effort (time and $$$) to establish an automaker's branch in a different country, even as close one as Canada. those branches have their own problems, goals and budgets. consider planning/budgeting the warranty repairs alone. you can simply consider Toyota Canada being a different company, because it is a different company, just selling the same product, however in a different market and they have to support their product and be a profitable company. it is no brainer that the overall cost of the Tundra is bigger in Canada than in US. I don't know if it all adds up to the current difference, but it's more.
don't get me wrong, I don't like paying more either. If you know how to "beat" the system, then by all means do it. but don't complain about the higher prices you pay up there. you can always immigrate down here and have it all american way, without the health insurance and all.
nobody compares prices they have in Japan. why would compare prices with US then? just because you are 50 miles off the US border? you're still in a different country after all.
It all makes me wonder when Texans are going to start complaining why they have to pay $735 destination charge when they can pick up their truck themselves at the factory down the road?
I'm a bit annoyed with all that complaining about Tundra prices up in Canada. The Canada is not the USA. I don't see anybody complaining about the prices of German made cars sold in US. Tundra is made in USA and this is a very different and more competitive market than Canada, and I'm sure many law provisions are different too. It takes a lot of effort (time and $$$) to establish an automaker's branch in a different country, even as close one as Canada. those branches have their own problems, goals and budgets. consider planning/budgeting the warranty repairs alone. you can simply consider Toyota Canada being a different company, because it is a different company, just selling the same product, however in a different market and they have to support their product and be a profitable company. it is no brainer that the overall cost of the Tundra is bigger in Canada than in US. I don't know if it all adds up to the current difference, but it's more.
don't get me wrong, I don't like paying more either. If you know how to "beat" the system, then by all means do it. but don't complain about the higher prices you pay up there. you can always immigrate down here and have it all american way, without the health insurance and all.
nobody compares prices they have in Japan. why would compare prices with US then? just because you are 50 miles off the US border? you're still in a different country after all.
It all makes me wonder when Texans are going to start complaining why they have to pay $735 destination charge when they can pick up their truck themselves at the factory down the road?
Since you've posted this a few times, heres my respone.
I agree with some of what your saying, but have you heard of a little thing called NAFTA.
How would you feel if you were paying $17k more for a Tundra in Texas, compared to Canada. You might complain a little. Not all vehicles are made in USA, Canada makes more vehicles per capita than the States. All the vehicles made here are then sold in the states much cheaper than they are sold in Canada.
Since you've posted this a few times, heres my respone.
I agree with some of what your saying, but have you heard of a little thing called NAFTA.
How would you feel if you were paying $17k more for a Tundra in Texas, compared to Canada. You might complain a little. Not all vehicles are made in USA, Canada makes more vehicles per capita than the States. All the vehicles made here are then sold in the states much cheaper than they are sold in Canada.
I don't want it to be personal. the OP started the thread and asked for the opinion so that was mine. I copied my other post as I didnt feeel like typing it all again.
TX is still an old USA. and they have to pay there the same destination fee as someone in Buffalo, NY. NAFTA or not, these are still two different countries, aren't they? it's all business and economy. they have to set up a separate company branch that will operate in another country, under laws of that country, that have it's own budget, support the product they sell, advertise it, import it, and still make a decent profit overall and per unit. otherwise they wouldn't take up that investment risk and wouldn't offer the product there at all. at least you have an option of buying the Tundra in Canada with warranty, where ppl in other countries can not.
it doesn't matter how many cars they make per capita in Canada. And exactly my point, it must be's cheaper here in the US since not only it's a more competitive market but also a bigger one too. the cost of supporting the bigger market is smaller per unit manufactured. you need to see the bigger picture. we are not talking about just another dealership across the (border) line. it's a dealership in another country.
even if you live right off the border, you're still living in another country. you have the health insurance that they can only dream of down here. stop thinking how much they pay in US, think whether you can afford to buy in Canada or not. then either buy it there, beat the system here or forget about it and move on. just don't be hating Toyota for that.
I like saving money too. so I always try to beat the system and get the product I like at the best price, but if I can't, there is no reason to hate the manufacturer selling the product cheaper on the other markets. when I'm buying the watermelon, I don't care how much it would cost me in Mexico. when I'm shopping for BMW I don't care how much it costs in Bavaria. when I'm hiring Mexican guy to do the construction work, it's non of my business how much more I have to pay him over what he would make down there.
I understand what Pener is saying but still have to disagree. Charge more in Canada, alright. But 12K more? That seems pretty excessive. Sorry but I understand exactly how Canadians feel. My situation with Toyota is pretty piddly compared to the Canadians, but when I bought my truck I wanted a nav system. I'm sure everyone here knows how hard it has been to find a Tundra with all the options they want. So when my dealer offered me my Crewmax for $39,000 ($45,400 sticker) I grabbed it. I checked out the aftermarket nav systems and personally don't care much for them. The ironic thing is, Toyota does not offer their nav system to US dealerships as a post production option. However, they do offer it to the Canadian dealers as a kit. So, guess what I think of Toyota's policies between the US and Canadian dealerships?
To top it off, I recently purchased a nav system out of an '07 Tundra. The owner opted for an aftermarket nav. Now I need a couple of wiring harnesses to make this sytem work and my local dealer can't get the parts. I have to find a Canadian dealer that is willing to go through the hassle of shipping the parts to me in the US. So far no luck and my nav system sits in a box instead of in my truck. I know its piddly but I do understand the frustration the Canadians must have with the outrageous markups Toyota is putting on this truck. You can't tell me it costs that much more to ship it to Canada or that the Canadians make that much more than the Americans to be able to afford that kind of price tag. An extra markup (tariff) for another country; sure. But do they really need to mark it up that much?
I understand what Pener is saying but still have to disagree. Charge more in Canada, alright. But 12K more? That seems pretty excessive. Sorry but I understand exactly how Canadians feel. My situation with Toyota is pretty piddly compared to the Canadians, but when I bought my truck I wanted a nav system. I'm sure everyone here knows how hard it has been to find a Tundra with all the options they want. So when my dealer offered me my Crewmax for $39,000 ($45,400 sticker) I grabbed it. I checked out the aftermarket nav systems and personally don't care much for them. The ironic thing is, Toyota does not offer their nav system to US dealerships as a post production option. However, they do offer it to the Canadian dealers as a kit. So, guess what I think of Toyota's policies between the US and Canadian dealerships?
To top it off, I recently purchased a nav system out of an '07 Tundra. The owner opted for an aftermarket nav. Now I need a couple of wiring harnesses to make this sytem work and my local dealer can't get the parts. I have to find a Canadian dealer that is willing to go through the hassle of shipping the parts to me in the US. So far no luck and my nav system sits in a box instead of in my truck. I know its piddly but I do understand the frustration the Canadians must have with the outrageous markups Toyota is putting on this truck. You can't tell me it costs that much more to ship it to Canada or that the Canadians make that much more than the Americans to be able to afford that kind of price tag. An extra markup (tariff) for another country; sure. But do they really need to mark it up that much?
Thanks for you support and understanding. I hope you make out OK with the Nav install.
Just curious but would you think the truck was worth the Canadian price for it if the price was the same in the US?
Theres no doubt that the US truck is under-priced. Sure its assembled in Texas, but what about all the raw parts, steel and plastic etc. that are being imported? The US dollar has lost about 20% of its buying power this last year alone.
Bend over Canadians.....
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