So I've been test driving the Ford F150, 250, Dodge Ram and Toyota Tundra the past week, finally deciding on the Tundra. The local dealership had one I liked, crewcab 4X4, sunroof, white with brown interior, nav etc. I drove it again two days ago to make sure the tundra is what I wanted. The salesman manager pushed me to take it home to test drive it the day I drove it and I said no I would come back with numbers. He pushed hard for me to buy it that day, even going as far as saying he would show me the invoice and sell it to me for $500 over that. I couldn't help but laugh at his "pushiness."
I called yesterday and told the salesman I was going to take him up on his offer of driving it overnight. I spent a few hours on the internet looking at edmunds, Kelly Bluebook for the invoice prices on the tundra, incentives, and value of my BMW X5. I went to the dealership after a long day at work, put feeding my sons on hold, and the same manager wanted to talk numbers. I said okay and I showed him my numbers on the invoice, their incentives, which he claimed to know nothing about, and the kelly blue book on my vehicle. They inspected my vehicle, which is in great shape, low miles, and is paid off. Then he refused to show me the invoice and over about 20 minutes never went below about $2000 over tundra invoice and that includes the $2000 incentives to the dealer and $500 military (army reserve) discount. I didn't budge but couldn't help laughing at this guy when he said "you're a doctor, I'm going to make a lot of money off of you!" Then when I refused to negotiate he refused to let me drive the truck overnight. I asked him if he needed my number if he changed his mind and he said no because he wasn't going to change his mind.
Now ultimately I'm laughing at myself. I'm the idiot for wasting my time with these clowns. I spent a total of about five hours and it won't happen again. I'm leaning more towards a Ford F250 now. It seems like I read how Toyota posted their first profit loss in history recently, how their having their workers in San Antonio go plant flowers for the city because there is no work at the plant, how they've halted any expansion this year, and how they've shut down some plants down from three shifts a day to one, and how their sales are way down every quarter.
I see more and more people standing on street corners begging for food, money, whatever. We have more and more bank robberies, about one every two weeks now, to the point people just walk in without a weapon and demand a bag of money. I see more and more houses up for sell. There is no industry in this area, no tourism, just government dependent state workers who don't make a huge salary but you always hear have "great benefits." But benefits don't buy cars. Several long term businesses including car dealerships have closed. Apparently this news hasn't reached the toyota dealer in Tallahassee Florida, hee haw hell.
The funniest part of the whole story is I had my checkbook and was ready to write a check for the whole amount of invoice. But it was worth the five hours of my time from working two hospitals and being a single dad to watch these two salesman performance. It was an impressive act, should be on Broadway.
Maybe it will work on the next customer.
Last edited by airbornedoc; 07-30-2009 at 07:43 AM.
So because of a bad experience with a salesman you aren't going to get the truck you want? You know they are crooks so why even be surprised at the treatment you got.
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I just went to the Fleet/Internet sales and had a wonderful experience with the purchase of my 07 Tundra. No bs. Either we agreed or we didn't. It was straight talk.
So what is the point. You are laughing because you did not buy what you wanted? And even had a check book to close the deal?
You need to do the homework before talking to these people. Plus every salesman and every dealership is different. I know one dealership that will never match the price of anything, and they are one of the best dealers in the area.
I was ready to buy the truck out of state (350 miles). Tundra is a great truck. People were driving across the country to get a better deal and still save money.
Email several dealerships with what you what and how much you will pay and see who will give you a deal.
Yeah Toyota posted losses, look at the other ones?!?!
Good luck with Ford
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Yeah a car sales person can be the worst. They are like that at all dealerships, some are the pushy type and others more laid back. I agree some dealerships encourge the tone of the sales person and their tactics. If you dont like them try another.
But yeah they are reps of the brand to an extent and if they turn you off then shame on them as this may do exactly what it did to you, cause you to think badly of the brand and buy elsewhere.
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Find a different dealer. The guys at my Toyota dealer are awesome! The guys at my local Ford dealer sound like your Toyota clowns....they drove me away and the Toyota dealer was the next stop....what a blessing in disguise! Thank you Ford dealership for helping me to find my Tundra!
well this is why I purchased mine through carsdirect.com no hassle went into dealership fleet and exchanged paperwork and departed very smooth sailing.
Used the Costco auto buying service and was very pleased. Local dealership would not match the price so I told them to take a hike. The Costco dealership was 250 miles away and they delivered the truck to my door and even refilled the gas tank without any extra charges. I gave the delivery guys a check and they gave me my paperwork. No BS upselling and the deal was done in 20 minutes. I'd check it out.
Hey Guys, the Doc is venting like so many of us do. I would hope that he calms down a bit before making a mistake and buys that FORD! I can go on and on about how nice my buying experience was but that does HIM no good. "Step Back Danielsan"....then see a different dealer!
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I feel for you AirborneDoc... I've been through that several times. I think that you were prepared which was why you didn't get "screwed" out of $2k more... I wouldn't let the one dealer disuade me from purchasing a Tundra if that is what I wanted.
I believe your expereince is called car shopping. We have a local dealer here that plays the same games and if you need to entertainment you could go there for the same thing. However, the same dealership I was referred to the Fleet Manager and I was still reluctant to go as I didn't want to waste an afternoon. However, it was a much better expereince - even though I ended up buying the truck from another dealer as he didn't have what I wanted and he couldn't dealer trade. Lesson here is that now that I am looking for a replacement vehicle for my wife, I would go back to him.
There is nothing I hate more that to have everything in place, now my numbers, heck I have even SHARED them with the salesperson ahead of time - only to be jerked around when I got there. I had this happen at a Jeep store, which lo and behold lost its franchise agreement. You can imagine how distraught I have been since...
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Read about these toyota salesman, hahahahaha
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